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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 13.3× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£25.94
PSA 10£345
PSA 9£75.09
CGC 10£113
BGS 10£449
A PSA 10 sells for 13.3× the raw card — a gap of £319. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£25.94
30-day low£20.22
Tracked high£25.94
Days tracked197
Price history
123 readings · 197d
HoloHawk awaiting data£25.94+28.2%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
21 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2322 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2323 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.94
£22.00£24.00
21 Oct21 Oct23 Oct23 Oct28 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£25.94+24.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.0529 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.0530 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.051 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.052 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.723 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.724 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.725 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.726 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.727 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.728 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.729 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7210 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7211 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7212 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7213 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7214 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7215 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2216 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2217 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2218 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2219 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2320 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2321 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2322 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2323 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.94
£22.00£24.00
28 Sept28 Sept2 Oct19 Oct23 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£25.94+108.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.4715 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.4716 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.4717 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.2618 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.2619 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.2620 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.2621 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.2622 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.2623 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.2624 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5325 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5326 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5327 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5328 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5329 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5330 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.991 May 2026PriceCharting£14.992 May 2026PriceCharting£14.993 May 2026PriceCharting£14.994 May 2026PriceCharting£14.995 May 2026PriceCharting£14.996 May 2026PriceCharting£14.267 May 2026PriceCharting£14.268 May 2026PriceCharting£14.269 May 2026PriceCharting£14.2610 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0111 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0112 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0113 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0114 May 2026PriceCharting£17.9815 May 2026PriceCharting£17.9816 May 2026PriceCharting£17.9817 May 2026PriceCharting£18.2818 May 2026PriceCharting£18.2819 May 2026PriceCharting£18.2820 May 2026PriceCharting£18.2821 May 2026PriceCharting£18.3922 May 2026PriceCharting£18.3923 May 2026PriceCharting£18.3924 May 2026PriceCharting£18.3925 May 2026PriceCharting£18.3926 May 2026PriceCharting£18.3927 May 2026PriceCharting£18.7728 May 2026PriceCharting£18.7729 May 2026PriceCharting£18.7730 May 2026PriceCharting£18.7731 May 2026PriceCharting£18.771 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.772 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.773 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.774 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.775 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.776 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.777 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.778 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.779 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7710 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7711 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7712 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7713 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7714 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7715 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7716 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7717 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7718 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7719 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7720 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7721 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0222 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0223 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0224 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0225 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0226 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0227 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.9728 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.9729 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.9730 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.971 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.972 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.973 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.974 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.975 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.976 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.017 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.018 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.019 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0110 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0111 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0112 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.7613 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.7614 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.7615 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.7616 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.7617 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.5318 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.5319 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.5320 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.4821 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.4822 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.4823 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.4824 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.4825 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.4826 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.4827 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.3028 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.3029 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.3030 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.3031 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.301 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.302 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.303 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.304 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.305 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.306 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.307 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.308 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.309 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3010 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3011 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3012 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3013 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3014 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3015 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3016 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3017 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3018 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3019 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3020 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.3021 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.7222 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.7223 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.7224 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.7225 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.5126 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.5127 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.5128 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.1429 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.1430 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.1431 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.141 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.142 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.143 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.144 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.955 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.956 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.957 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.958 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.389 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3810 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3811 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3812 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3813 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3814 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3815 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3816 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9017 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9018 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9019 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9020 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9021 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9022 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.7723 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.7724 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.7725 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.7726 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.7727 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.7728 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.0529 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.0530 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.051 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.052 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.723 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.724 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.725 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.726 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.727 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.728 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.729 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7210 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7211 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7212 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7213 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7214 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.7215 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2216 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2217 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2218 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2219 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2320 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2321 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2322 Oct 2026PriceCharting£20.2323 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.9428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.94
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14 Apr9 May7 Jun1 Jul26 Jul28 Oct
Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£13415 Apr 2026PSA 10£13416 Apr 2026PSA 10£13417 Apr 2026PSA 10£13418 Apr 2026PSA 10£13419 Apr 2026PSA 10£13420 Apr 2026PSA 10£13321 Apr 2026PSA 10£13322 Apr 2026PSA 10£13323 Apr 2026PSA 10£13324 Apr 2026PSA 10£13325 Apr 2026PSA 10£13326 Apr 2026PSA 10£13327 Apr 2026PSA 10£13328 Apr 2026PSA 10£13329 Apr 2026PSA 10£13330 Apr 2026PSA 10£1511 May 2026PSA 10£1512 May 2026PSA 10£1513 May 2026PSA 10£1514 May 2026PSA 10£1515 May 2026PSA 10£1516 May 2026PSA 10£1507 May 2026PSA 10£1508 May 2026PSA 10£1509 May 2026PSA 10£15010 May 2026PSA 10£15011 May 2026PSA 10£15012 May 2026PSA 10£15013 May 2026PSA 10£15014 May 2026PSA 10£14915 May 2026PSA 10£14916 May 2026PSA 10£14917 May 2026PSA 10£18818 May 2026PSA 10£18819 May 2026PSA 10£18820 May 2026PSA 10£18821 May 2026PSA 10£18822 May 2026PSA 10£18823 May 2026PSA 10£18824 May 2026PSA 10£18825 May 2026PSA 10£18826 May 2026PSA 10£18827 May 2026PSA 10£21328 May 2026PSA 10£21329 May 2026PSA 10£21330 May 2026PSA 10£21331 May 2026PSA 10£2131 Jun 2026PSA 10£2132 Jun 2026PSA 10£2133 Jun 2026PSA 10£2134 Jun 2026PSA 10£2135 Jun 2026PSA 10£2136 Jun 2026PSA 10£2137 Jun 2026PSA 10£2138 Jun 2026PSA 10£2139 Jun 2026PSA 10£21310 Jun 2026PSA 10£21311 Jun 2026PSA 10£21312 Jun 2026PSA 10£22113 Jun 2026PSA 10£22114 Jun 2026PSA 10£22115 Jun 2026PSA 10£22116 Jun 2026PSA 10£22117 Jun 2026PSA 10£22118 Jun 2026PSA 10£22119 Jun 2026PSA 10£22120 Jun 2026PSA 10£22121 Jun 2026PSA 10£22222 Jun 2026PSA 10£22223 Jun 2026PSA 10£22224 Jun 2026PSA 10£22225 Jun 2026PSA 10£22226 Jun 2026PSA 10£22227 Jun 2026PSA 10£24128 Jun 2026PSA 10£24129 Jun 2026PSA 10£24130 Jun 2026PSA 10£2411 Jul 2026PSA 10£2412 Jul 2026PSA 10£2413 Jul 2026PSA 10£2414 Jul 2026PSA 10£2415 Jul 2026PSA 10£2416 Jul 2026PSA 10£2387 Jul 2026PSA 10£2388 Jul 2026PSA 10£2389 Jul 2026PSA 10£23810 Jul 2026PSA 10£23811 Jul 2026PSA 10£23812 Jul 2026PSA 10£23813 Jul 2026PSA 10£23814 Jul 2026PSA 10£23815 Jul 2026PSA 10£23816 Jul 2026PSA 10£23817 Jul 2026PSA 10£23418 Jul 2026PSA 10£23419 Jul 2026PSA 10£23420 Jul 2026PSA 10£23621 Jul 2026PSA 10£23622 Jul 2026PSA 10£23623 Jul 2026PSA 10£23624 Jul 2026PSA 10£23625 Jul 2026PSA 10£23626 Jul 2026PSA 10£23627 Jul 2026PSA 10£23628 Jul 2026PSA 10£23629 Jul 2026PSA 10£23630 Jul 2026PSA 10£23631 Jul 2026PSA 10£2361 Aug 2026PSA 10£2362 Aug 2026PSA 10£2363 Aug 2026PSA 10£2364 Aug 2026PSA 10£236PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£3065 Aug 2026PSA 10£236PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£3066 Aug 2026PSA 10£236PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£3067 Aug 2026PSA 10£236PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£3068 Aug 2026PSA 10£236PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£3069 Aug 2026PSA 10£236PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£30610 Aug 2026PSA 10£236PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£30611 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40312 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40313 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40314 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40315 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40316 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40317 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40318 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40319 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40320 Aug 2026PSA 10£310PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£40321 Aug 2026PSA 10£343PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44622 Aug 2026PSA 10£343PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44623 Aug 2026PSA 10£343PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44624 Aug 2026PSA 10£343PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44625 Aug 2026PSA 10£343PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44626 Aug 2026PSA 10£343PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44627 Aug 2026PSA 10£343PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44628 Aug 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44929 Aug 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44930 Aug 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44931 Aug 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4491 Sept 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4492 Sept 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4493 Sept 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£45.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4494 Sept 2026PSA 10£334PSA 9£43.93CGC 10£113BGS 10£4345 Sept 2026PSA 10£334PSA 9£43.93CGC 10£113BGS 10£4346 Sept 2026PSA 10£334PSA 9£43.93CGC 10£113BGS 10£4347 Sept 2026PSA 10£334PSA 9£43.93CGC 10£113BGS 10£4348 Sept 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£43.18CGC 10£113BGS 10£4339 Sept 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£43.18CGC 10£113BGS 10£43310 Sept 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£43.18CGC 10£113BGS 10£43311 Sept 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£43.18CGC 10£113BGS 10£43312 Sept 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£43.18CGC 10£113BGS 10£43313 Sept 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£43.18CGC 10£113BGS 10£43314 Sept 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£43.18CGC 10£113BGS 10£43315 Sept 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£43.18CGC 10£113BGS 10£43316 Sept 2026PSA 10£329PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42817 Sept 2026PSA 10£329PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42818 Sept 2026PSA 10£329PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42819 Sept 2026PSA 10£329PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42820 Sept 2026PSA 10£329PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42821 Sept 2026PSA 10£329PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42822 Sept 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42723 Sept 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42724 Sept 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42725 Sept 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42726 Sept 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42727 Sept 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£42728 Sept 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£43929 Sept 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£43930 Sept 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4391 Oct 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4392 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4423 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4424 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4425 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4426 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4427 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4428 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£4429 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44210 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44211 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44212 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44213 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44214 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£42.43CGC 10£113BGS 10£44215 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£60.76CGC 10£113BGS 10£44216 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£60.76CGC 10£113BGS 10£44217 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£60.76CGC 10£113BGS 10£44218 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£60.76CGC 10£113BGS 10£44219 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£60.76CGC 10£113BGS 10£44220 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£60.76CGC 10£113BGS 10£44221 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£60.76CGC 10£113BGS 10£44222 Oct 2026PSA 10£340PSA 9£60.76CGC 10£113BGS 10£44223 Oct 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£75.09CGC 10£113BGS 10£44924 Oct 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£75.09CGC 10£113BGS 10£44925 Oct 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£75.09CGC 10£113BGS 10£44926 Oct 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£75.09CGC 10£113BGS 10£44927 Oct 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£75.09CGC 10£113BGS 10£44928 Oct 2026PSA 10£345PSA 9£75.09CGC 10£113BGS 10£449
£200£400
14 Apr9 May7 Jun1 Jul26 Jul28 Oct
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.