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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 24.0× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£18.66
PSA 10£448
PSA 9£43.76
CGC 10£179
BGS 10£582
A PSA 10 sells for 24.0× the raw card — a gap of £429. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£21.62
30-day low£18.66
Tracked high£34.32
Days tracked197
Price history
117 readings · 197d
HoloHawk awaiting data£18.660.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
21 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6624 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6627 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6628 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.66
£18.00£18.50£19.00£19.50
21 Oct21 Oct23 Oct23 Oct28 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£18.66-13.7%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.6229 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.6230 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.624 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.627 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.628 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.629 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6210 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6211 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6212 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6213 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6214 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6215 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6620 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6624 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6627 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6628 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.66
£19.00£20.00£21.00
28 Sept15 Oct19 Oct19 Oct23 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£18.66+48.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5815 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5816 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5817 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5818 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5819 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5820 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5821 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5822 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5823 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5824 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5825 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5826 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5827 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5828 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5829 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.5830 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.581 May 2026PriceCharting£12.582 May 2026PriceCharting£12.583 May 2026PriceCharting£12.584 May 2026PriceCharting£12.585 May 2026PriceCharting£12.586 May 2026PriceCharting£12.587 May 2026PriceCharting£12.588 May 2026PriceCharting£12.589 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5810 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5811 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5812 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5813 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5814 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5815 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5816 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5817 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5818 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5819 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5820 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5821 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5822 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5823 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5824 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5825 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5826 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5827 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5828 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5829 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5830 May 2026PriceCharting£12.5831 May 2026PriceCharting£12.581 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.582 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.583 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.584 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.585 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.586 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.587 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.588 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.589 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5810 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5811 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5812 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5813 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5814 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5815 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5816 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5817 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5818 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5819 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5820 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5721 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5722 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5723 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5724 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5725 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5726 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5727 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5728 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5729 Jun 2026PriceCharting£12.5730 Jun 2026PriceCharting£20.371 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.372 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.373 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.374 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.375 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.376 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.377 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.378 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.379 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3710 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3711 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3712 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3713 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3714 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3715 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3716 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3717 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3718 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3719 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3720 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3721 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3722 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3723 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3724 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3725 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3726 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3727 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3728 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3729 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3730 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.3731 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.371 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.372 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.373 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.374 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.375 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.376 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.377 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.378 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.379 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3710 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3711 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3712 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3713 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3714 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3715 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3716 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3717 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3718 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.3719 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3220 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3221 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3222 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3223 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3224 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3225 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3226 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3227 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3228 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.3229 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.6430 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.6431 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.641 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.642 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.643 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.644 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.645 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.646 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.647 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.648 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.969 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9610 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9611 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9612 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9613 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9614 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9615 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9616 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9617 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.9618 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0819 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0820 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0821 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0822 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0823 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0825 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0826 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.0827 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.6228 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.6229 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.6230 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.624 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.627 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.628 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.629 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6210 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6211 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6212 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6213 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6214 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.6215 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6620 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6624 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6627 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.6628 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.66
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£11215 Apr 2026PSA 10£11216 Apr 2026PSA 10£11217 Apr 2026PSA 10£11218 Apr 2026PSA 10£11219 Apr 2026PSA 10£11220 Apr 2026PSA 10£11221 Apr 2026PSA 10£11222 Apr 2026PSA 10£16923 Apr 2026PSA 10£16924 Apr 2026PSA 10£16925 Apr 2026PSA 10£16926 Apr 2026PSA 10£16927 Apr 2026PSA 10£16928 Apr 2026PSA 10£16929 Apr 2026PSA 10£16930 Apr 2026PSA 10£1691 May 2026PSA 10£1692 May 2026PSA 10£1693 May 2026PSA 10£1694 May 2026PSA 10£1695 May 2026PSA 10£1696 May 2026PSA 10£1697 May 2026PSA 10£1698 May 2026PSA 10£1699 May 2026PSA 10£16910 May 2026PSA 10£16911 May 2026PSA 10£16912 May 2026PSA 10£16913 May 2026PSA 10£16914 May 2026PSA 10£16915 May 2026PSA 10£16916 May 2026PSA 10£16917 May 2026PSA 10£16918 May 2026PSA 10£16919 May 2026PSA 10£16920 May 2026PSA 10£16921 May 2026PSA 10£16922 May 2026PSA 10£16923 May 2026PSA 10£16924 May 2026PSA 10£16925 May 2026PSA 10£16926 May 2026PSA 10£16927 May 2026PSA 10£16928 May 2026PSA 10£16929 May 2026PSA 10£16930 May 2026PSA 10£16931 May 2026PSA 10£2241 Jun 2026PSA 10£2242 Jun 2026PSA 10£2243 Jun 2026PSA 10£2244 Jun 2026PSA 10£2245 Jun 2026PSA 10£2246 Jun 2026PSA 10£2247 Jun 2026PSA 10£2248 Jun 2026PSA 10£2249 Jun 2026PSA 10£22410 Jun 2026PSA 10£22411 Jun 2026PSA 10£22412 Jun 2026PSA 10£22413 Jun 2026PSA 10£22414 Jun 2026PSA 10£22415 Jun 2026PSA 10£22416 Jun 2026PSA 10£22417 Jun 2026PSA 10£22418 Jun 2026PSA 10£22419 Jun 2026PSA 10£22420 Jun 2026PSA 10£22421 Jun 2026PSA 10£22422 Jun 2026PSA 10£22423 Jun 2026PSA 10£22424 Jun 2026PSA 10£22425 Jun 2026PSA 10£22426 Jun 2026PSA 10£22427 Jun 2026PSA 10£22428 Jun 2026PSA 10£22429 Jun 2026PSA 10£22430 Jun 2026PSA 10£2241 Jul 2026PSA 10£2242 Jul 2026PSA 10£2243 Jul 2026PSA 10£2244 Jul 2026PSA 10£2245 Jul 2026PSA 10£2246 Jul 2026PSA 10£2247 Jul 2026PSA 10£2248 Jul 2026PSA 10£2249 Jul 2026PSA 10£22410 Jul 2026PSA 10£22411 Jul 2026PSA 10£22412 Jul 2026PSA 10£22413 Jul 2026PSA 10£22414 Jul 2026PSA 10£22415 Jul 2026PSA 10£22416 Jul 2026PSA 10£22417 Jul 2026PSA 10£22418 Jul 2026PSA 10£22419 Jul 2026PSA 10£22420 Jul 2026PSA 10£22421 Jul 2026PSA 10£22422 Jul 2026PSA 10£22423 Jul 2026PSA 10£22424 Jul 2026PSA 10£22425 Jul 2026PSA 10£22426 Jul 2026PSA 10£22427 Jul 2026PSA 10£22428 Jul 2026PSA 10£22429 Jul 2026PSA 10£22430 Jul 2026PSA 10£22431 Jul 2026PSA 10£2241 Aug 2026PSA 10£2242 Aug 2026PSA 10£2243 Aug 2026PSA 10£2244 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2915 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2916 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2917 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2918 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2919 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29110 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29111 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29112 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29113 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29114 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29115 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29116 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29117 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29118 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29119 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29120 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29121 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29122 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29123 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29124 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29125 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29126 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29127 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29128 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29129 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29130 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29131 Aug 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2911 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2912 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2913 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2914 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2915 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2916 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2917 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2918 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£2919 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29110 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29111 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29112 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29113 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29114 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29115 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29116 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29117 Sept 2026PSA 10£224PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£134BGS 10£29118 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33119 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33120 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33121 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33122 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33123 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33124 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33125 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33126 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.78CGC 10£153BGS 10£33127 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33128 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33129 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33130 Sept 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3311 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3312 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3313 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3314 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3315 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3316 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3317 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3318 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£3319 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33110 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33111 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33112 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33113 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33114 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.37CGC 10£153BGS 10£33115 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.10CGC 10£153BGS 10£33116 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.10CGC 10£153BGS 10£33117 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.10CGC 10£153BGS 10£33118 Oct 2026PSA 10£255PSA 9£44.10CGC 10£153BGS 10£33119 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£161BGS 10£34920 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£161BGS 10£34921 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£161BGS 10£34922 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£161BGS 10£34923 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£107BGS 10£34924 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£107BGS 10£34925 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£107BGS 10£34926 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£107BGS 10£34927 Oct 2026PSA 10£269PSA 9£43.91CGC 10£107BGS 10£34928 Oct 2026PSA 10£448PSA 9£43.76CGC 10£179BGS 10£582
£200£400
14 Apr8 May4 Jun28 Jun21 Jul28 Oct
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.