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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 9.6× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£21.33
PSA 10£204
PSA 9£60.83
CGC 10£81.85
BGS 10£265
A PSA 10 sells for 9.6× the raw card — a gap of £182. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£25.66
30-day low£17.07
Tracked high£25.66
Days tracked192
Price history
118 readings · 192d
HoloHawk awaiting data£21.33-16.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
16 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6620 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.33
£22.00£24.00
16 Oct16 Oct16 Oct23 Oct23 Oct23 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£21.33+25.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0724 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0725 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0726 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0727 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0728 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0729 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0730 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.401 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.402 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.403 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.404 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.405 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.406 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.407 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.408 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.409 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4010 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4011 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4012 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4013 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4014 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4015 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6620 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.33
£17.50£20.00£22.50£25.00
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HoloHawk awaiting data£21.33+90.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11.2015 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11.2016 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8117 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8118 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8119 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8120 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8121 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8122 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8123 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8124 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8125 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8126 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8127 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8128 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8129 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.8130 Apr 2026PriceCharting£10.811 May 2026PriceCharting£10.812 May 2026PriceCharting£10.813 May 2026PriceCharting£11.414 May 2026PriceCharting£11.415 May 2026PriceCharting£11.416 May 2026PriceCharting£11.417 May 2026PriceCharting£11.418 May 2026PriceCharting£11.419 May 2026PriceCharting£11.4110 May 2026PriceCharting£11.4111 May 2026PriceCharting£11.4112 May 2026PriceCharting£11.4113 May 2026PriceCharting£11.4114 May 2026PriceCharting£11.4115 May 2026PriceCharting£11.4116 May 2026PriceCharting£8.9617 May 2026PriceCharting£8.9618 May 2026PriceCharting£8.9619 May 2026PriceCharting£8.9620 May 2026PriceCharting£9.5121 May 2026PriceCharting£9.5122 May 2026PriceCharting£9.5123 May 2026PriceCharting£9.5124 May 2026PriceCharting£9.5125 May 2026PriceCharting£8.0726 May 2026PriceCharting£8.0727 May 2026PriceCharting£8.0728 May 2026PriceCharting£8.0729 May 2026PriceCharting£8.0730 May 2026PriceCharting£8.0731 May 2026PriceCharting£8.071 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.072 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.073 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.074 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.075 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.076 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.077 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.078 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.079 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0710 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0711 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0712 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0713 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0714 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0715 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0716 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0717 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0718 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0719 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0720 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0721 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0722 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0723 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0724 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0725 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0726 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0727 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0728 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0729 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.0730 Jun 2026PriceCharting£8.071 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.072 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.073 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.074 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.075 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.256 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.257 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.258 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.259 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2510 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2511 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2512 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2513 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2514 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2515 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2516 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2517 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2518 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2519 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2520 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2521 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2522 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2523 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2524 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2525 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2526 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2527 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.2528 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.2629 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.2630 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.2631 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.261 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.262 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.813 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.814 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.815 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.816 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.817 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.818 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.269 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2610 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2611 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2612 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2613 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2614 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2615 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2616 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2617 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2618 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2619 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2620 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2621 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2622 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2623 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2624 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2625 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2626 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2627 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2628 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2629 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.2630 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.6431 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.641 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.642 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.643 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.644 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.645 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.646 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.647 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.648 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.649 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.6410 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.6411 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.6412 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.6413 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.6414 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.6415 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.6416 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0717 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0718 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0719 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0720 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0721 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0722 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0723 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0724 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0725 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0726 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0727 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0728 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0729 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0730 Sept 2026PriceCharting£25.401 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.402 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.403 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.404 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.405 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.406 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.407 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.408 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.409 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4010 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4011 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4012 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4013 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4014 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.4015 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6620 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.6623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.33
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8415 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8416 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8417 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8418 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8419 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8420 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8421 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8422 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8423 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8424 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8425 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8426 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8427 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8428 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8429 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.8430 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.841 May 2026PSA 10£75.842 May 2026PSA 10£75.843 May 2026PSA 10£75.844 May 2026PSA 10£75.845 May 2026PSA 10£75.846 May 2026PSA 10£75.847 May 2026PSA 10£75.848 May 2026PSA 10£75.849 May 2026PSA 10£75.8410 May 2026PSA 10£75.8411 May 2026PSA 10£75.8412 May 2026PSA 10£75.8413 May 2026PSA 10£75.8414 May 2026PSA 10£75.8415 May 2026PSA 10£75.8416 May 2026PSA 10£93.8717 May 2026PSA 10£93.8718 May 2026PSA 10£93.8719 May 2026PSA 10£93.8720 May 2026PSA 10£75.8421 May 2026PSA 10£75.8422 May 2026PSA 10£75.8423 May 2026PSA 10£75.8424 May 2026PSA 10£75.8425 May 2026PSA 10£75.8426 May 2026PSA 10£75.8427 May 2026PSA 10£75.8428 May 2026PSA 10£75.8429 May 2026PSA 10£75.8430 May 2026PSA 10£75.8431 May 2026PSA 10£75.841 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.842 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.843 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.844 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.845 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.846 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.847 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.848 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.849 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.8410 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.8411 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.8412 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8713 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8714 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8715 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8716 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8717 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8718 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8719 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8720 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8721 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8722 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8723 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8724 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8725 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8726 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8727 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8728 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8729 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.8730 Jun 2026PSA 10£93.871 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.872 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.873 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.874 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.875 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.876 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.877 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.878 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.879 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8710 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8711 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8712 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8713 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8714 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8715 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8716 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8717 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8718 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8719 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8720 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8721 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8722 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8723 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8724 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8725 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8726 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8727 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8728 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8729 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8730 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.8731 Jul 2026PSA 10£93.871 Aug 2026PSA 10£93.872 Aug 2026PSA 10£1623 Aug 2026PSA 10£1624 Aug 2026PSA 10£162PSA 9£41.28CGC 10£97.62BGS 10£2115 Aug 2026PSA 10£162PSA 9£41.28CGC 10£97.62BGS 10£2116 Aug 2026PSA 10£162PSA 9£41.28CGC 10£97.62BGS 10£2117 Aug 2026PSA 10£162PSA 9£41.28CGC 10£97.62BGS 10£2118 Aug 2026PSA 10£198PSA 9£45.10CGC 10£119BGS 10£2589 Aug 2026PSA 10£198PSA 9£45.10CGC 10£119BGS 10£25810 Aug 2026PSA 10£198PSA 9£45.10CGC 10£119BGS 10£25811 Aug 2026PSA 10£198PSA 9£45.10CGC 10£119BGS 10£25812 Aug 2026PSA 10£98.60PSA 9£42.50CGC 10£59.32BGS 10£12813 Aug 2026PSA 10£98.60PSA 9£42.50CGC 10£59.32BGS 10£12814 Aug 2026PSA 10£98.60PSA 9£42.50CGC 10£59.32BGS 10£12815 Aug 2026PSA 10£98.60PSA 9£42.50CGC 10£59.32BGS 10£12816 Aug 2026PSA 10£98.60PSA 9£42.50CGC 10£59.32BGS 10£12817 Aug 2026PSA 10£98.60PSA 9£42.50CGC 10£59.32BGS 10£12818 Aug 2026PSA 10£98.60PSA 9£42.50CGC 10£59.32BGS 10£12819 Aug 2026PSA 10£98.60PSA 9£42.50CGC 10£59.32BGS 10£12820 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20221 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20222 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20223 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20224 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20225 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20226 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20227 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20228 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20229 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£41.38CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20230 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£20231 Aug 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£2021 Sept 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£2022 Sept 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£2023 Sept 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£2024 Sept 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£2025 Sept 2026PSA 10£156PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£93.12BGS 10£2026 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£2497 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£2498 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£2499 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£24910 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£24911 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£24912 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£24913 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£24914 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£24915 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£45.14CGC 10£115BGS 10£24916 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24917 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24918 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24919 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24920 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24921 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24922 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24923 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24924 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24925 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24926 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24927 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24928 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24929 Sept 2026PSA 10£191PSA 9£51.06CGC 10£115BGS 10£24930 Sept 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2471 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2472 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2473 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2474 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2475 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2476 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2477 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2478 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£2479 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£24710 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£24711 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£24712 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£24713 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£24714 Oct 2026PSA 10£190PSA 9£46.56CGC 10£114BGS 10£24715 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£46.71CGC 10£122BGS 10£26516 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£46.71CGC 10£122BGS 10£26517 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£46.71CGC 10£122BGS 10£26518 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£46.71CGC 10£122BGS 10£26519 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£46.71CGC 10£122BGS 10£26520 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£46.71CGC 10£122BGS 10£26521 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£46.71CGC 10£122BGS 10£26522 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£46.71CGC 10£122BGS 10£26523 Oct 2026PSA 10£204PSA 9£60.83CGC 10£81.85BGS 10£265
£100£200
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.