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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier. Raw is the HoloHawk price above; graded tiers are PriceCharting, converted to GBP.
Raw · ungraded£3.13
PSA 10£62.30
PSA 9£61.20
CGC 10£24.63
BGS 10£81.35
At a glance
Days tracked197
Illustratorsui
Pokédex427
Price history
118 readings · 197d
£3.13HoloHawk£3.35+37.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
21 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4322 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4323 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4324 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4325 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4326 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4327 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4328 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£3.35
£2.50£2.75£3.00£3.25
21 Oct21 Oct23 Oct23 Oct28 Oct28 Oct
£3.13HoloHawk£3.35+12.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9829 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.6730 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.671 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.672 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.673 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.674 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.675 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.676 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.677 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.678 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.679 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6710 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6711 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6712 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6713 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6714 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6715 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4316 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4317 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4320 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4321 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4322 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4323 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4324 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4325 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4326 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4327 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4328 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£3.35
£2.50£2.75£3.00£3.25
28 Sept29 Sept15 Oct19 Oct23 Oct28 Oct
£3.13HoloHawk£3.35-5.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.5615 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.5616 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.5617 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.5618 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.5619 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.5620 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.5621 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.5622 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.7723 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.7724 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.7725 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.7726 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.7727 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.7728 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.7729 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.7730 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.771 May 2026PriceCharting£2.772 May 2026PriceCharting£2.773 May 2026PriceCharting£2.774 May 2026PriceCharting£2.775 May 2026PriceCharting£2.776 May 2026PriceCharting£2.777 May 2026PriceCharting£2.778 May 2026PriceCharting£2.779 May 2026PriceCharting£2.7710 May 2026PriceCharting£2.7711 May 2026PriceCharting£2.7712 May 2026PriceCharting£2.7713 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9614 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9615 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9616 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9617 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9618 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9619 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9620 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9621 May 2026PriceCharting£2.9622 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0823 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0824 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0825 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0826 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0827 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0828 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0829 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0830 May 2026PriceCharting£3.0831 May 2026PriceCharting£3.081 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.782 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.783 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.784 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.785 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.786 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.787 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.788 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.789 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.7810 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.7811 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0712 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0713 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0714 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0715 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0716 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0717 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0718 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0719 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.0720 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7221 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7222 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7223 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7224 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7225 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7226 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7227 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7228 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7229 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.7230 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.721 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.722 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.723 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.724 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.725 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.726 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.727 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.728 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.729 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7210 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7211 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7212 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7213 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7214 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7215 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7216 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7217 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7218 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7219 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7220 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7221 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7222 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7223 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7224 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7225 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7226 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7227 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7228 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7229 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7230 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.7231 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.721 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.722 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.723 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.724 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.725 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.726 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.727 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.728 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.729 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7210 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7211 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7212 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7213 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7214 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7215 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7216 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7217 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7218 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7219 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.7220 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9821 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9822 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9823 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9824 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9825 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9826 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9827 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9828 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9829 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9830 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.9831 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2.981 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.982 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.983 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.984 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.985 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.986 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.987 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.988 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.989 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9810 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9811 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9812 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9813 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9814 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9815 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9816 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9817 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9818 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9819 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9820 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9821 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9822 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9823 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9825 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9826 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9827 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9828 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.9829 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.6730 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2.671 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.672 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.673 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.674 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.675 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.676 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.677 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.678 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.679 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6710 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6711 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6712 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6713 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6714 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.6715 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4316 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4317 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4320 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4321 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4322 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4323 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4324 Oct 2026PriceCharting£2.4325 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4326 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4327 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£2.4328 Oct 2026HoloHawk£3.13PriceCharting£3.35
£2.50£3.00£3.50
14 Apr8 May5 Jun28 Jun22 Jul28 Oct
Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
11 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1512 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1513 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1514 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1515 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1516 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1517 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1518 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1519 Jun 2026PSA 10£66.1520 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8921 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8922 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8923 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8924 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8925 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8926 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8927 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8928 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8929 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.8930 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.891 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.332 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.333 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.334 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.335 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.336 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.337 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.338 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.339 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.3310 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.3311 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5212 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5213 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5214 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5215 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5216 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5217 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5218 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5219 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5220 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.5221 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7222 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7223 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7224 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7225 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7226 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7227 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7228 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7229 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7230 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.7231 Jul 2026PSA 10£81.921 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.922 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.923 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.924 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.92PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£1075 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.92PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£1076 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.92PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£1077 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.92PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£1078 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.92PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£1079 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.92PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10710 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.92PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10711 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10712 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10713 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10714 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10715 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10716 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10717 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10718 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10719 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.11PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10720 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10721 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10722 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10723 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10724 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10725 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10726 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10727 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10728 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10729 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.31PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£49.26BGS 10£10730 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8031 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.801 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.802 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.803 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.804 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.805 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.806 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.807 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.808 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.45PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.809 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8010 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8011 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8012 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8013 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8014 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8015 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8016 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8017 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8018 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8019 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8020 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8021 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.61PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8022 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.77PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8023 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.77PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8024 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.77PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8025 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.77PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8026 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.77PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8027 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.77PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8028 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.77PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£91.8029 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.5430 Sept 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.541 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.542 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.543 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.544 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.545 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.546 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.547 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.548 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.549 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.5410 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.5411 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.5412 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.5413 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.5414 Oct 2026PSA 10£70.93PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£42.54BGS 10£92.5415 Oct 2026PSA 10£66.07PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£39.56BGS 10£85.8316 Oct 2026PSA 10£66.07PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£39.56BGS 10£85.8317 Oct 2026PSA 10£66.07PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£39.56BGS 10£85.8318 Oct 2026PSA 10£66.07PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£39.56BGS 10£85.8319 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£37.32BGS 10£80.6020 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£37.32BGS 10£80.6021 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£37.32BGS 10£80.6022 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£37.32BGS 10£80.6023 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£24.63BGS 10£80.6024 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£24.63BGS 10£80.6025 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£24.63BGS 10£80.6026 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£24.63BGS 10£80.6027 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.17PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£24.63BGS 10£80.6028 Oct 2026PSA 10£62.30PSA 9£61.20CGC 10£24.63BGS 10£81.35
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
25 Oct 2026New listings/day126 Oct 2026New listings/day027 Oct 2026New listings/day028 Oct 2026New listings/day029 Oct 2026New listings/day030 Oct 2026New listings/day0
01
25 Oct27 Oct28 Oct30 Oct
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Building
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
1 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.
