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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£0.90
PSA 10£26.43
PSA 9£8.68
CGC 10£10.51
BGS 10£34.54
At a glance
30-day high£0.90
30-day low£0.85
Tracked high£1.27
Days tracked192
IllustratorJune
Pokédex268
Price history
118 readings · 192d
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.90+5.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
16 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.90
£0.86£0.88£0.90
16 Oct16 Oct16 Oct23 Oct23 Oct23 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.90+2.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8825 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8826 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8827 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8828 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8829 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8830 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.881 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.882 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.883 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.884 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.885 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.886 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.887 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.888 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.889 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8810 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8811 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8812 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8813 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8814 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8815 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8516 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.90
£0.86£0.88£0.90
23 Sept23 Sept23 Sept15 Oct15 Oct23 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.90-9.1%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9915 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9916 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9917 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9918 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9919 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9920 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9921 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9922 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9923 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9924 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.9925 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.8726 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.8727 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.8728 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.8729 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.8730 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.871 May 2026PriceCharting£0.872 May 2026PriceCharting£0.873 May 2026PriceCharting£0.874 May 2026PriceCharting£0.875 May 2026PriceCharting£0.996 May 2026PriceCharting£0.997 May 2026PriceCharting£0.998 May 2026PriceCharting£0.999 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9910 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9911 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9912 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9913 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9914 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0515 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0516 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0517 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0518 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0519 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0520 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0621 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0622 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0623 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9924 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9925 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9926 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9827 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9828 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9829 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9830 May 2026PriceCharting£0.9831 May 2026PriceCharting£0.981 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.072 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.073 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.074 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.075 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.076 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.077 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.078 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.079 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.0710 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.0611 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.0612 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.0613 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.0614 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.0615 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.0616 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1017 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1018 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1019 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1020 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1021 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1022 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1023 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1024 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1025 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1026 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1027 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.1028 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.2729 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.2730 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.271 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.272 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.273 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.194 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.195 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.196 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.197 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.198 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.199 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1210 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1211 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1212 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1213 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1214 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1215 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1216 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1217 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1218 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1219 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1220 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1221 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1222 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1123 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1124 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1125 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.1126 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.0527 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.0528 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.0529 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.0530 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.0531 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1.051 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.052 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.123 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.124 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.125 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.126 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.127 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.128 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.169 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1610 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1611 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1612 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1513 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1514 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1515 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1516 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1517 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1518 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1219 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1220 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1221 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.1222 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.0023 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.0024 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.0025 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.0026 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.0027 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1.0028 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.9829 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.9830 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.9831 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.981 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.982 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.983 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.984 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.985 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.986 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.987 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.988 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.989 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.9810 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.9811 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.9812 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.9813 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.9814 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.9815 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.9816 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8817 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8818 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8819 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8820 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8821 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8822 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8823 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8825 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8826 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8827 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8828 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8829 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.8830 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.881 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.882 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.883 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.884 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.885 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.886 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.887 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.888 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.889 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8810 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8811 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8812 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8813 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8814 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8815 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8516 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.8523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.90
£1.00£1.20
14 Apr8 May5 Jun28 Jun22 Jul23 Oct
Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
5 May 2026PSA 10£26.766 May 2026PSA 10£26.767 May 2026PSA 10£26.768 May 2026PSA 10£26.769 May 2026PSA 10£26.7610 May 2026PSA 10£26.7611 May 2026PSA 10£26.7612 May 2026PSA 10£26.7613 May 2026PSA 10£26.7614 May 2026PSA 10£27.3215 May 2026PSA 10£27.3216 May 2026PSA 10£27.3217 May 2026PSA 10£27.3218 May 2026PSA 10£27.3219 May 2026PSA 10£27.3220 May 2026PSA 10£27.6021 May 2026PSA 10£27.6022 May 2026PSA 10£27.6023 May 2026PSA 10£27.6324 May 2026PSA 10£27.6325 May 2026PSA 10£27.6326 May 2026PSA 10£27.3027 May 2026PSA 10£27.3028 May 2026PSA 10£27.3029 May 2026PSA 10£27.3030 May 2026PSA 10£27.3031 May 2026PSA 10£27.301 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.222 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.223 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.224 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.225 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.656 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.657 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.658 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.659 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6510 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6411 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6412 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6413 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6414 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6415 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6416 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6017 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6018 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6019 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6020 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6021 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.6022 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.7623 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.7624 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.7625 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.7626 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.7627 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.7628 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.7529 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.7530 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.751 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.752 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.753 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.574 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.575 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.576 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.577 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.578 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.579 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.2010 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.2011 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.2012 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.2013 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.2014 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8415 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8416 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8417 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8418 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8419 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8420 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8421 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8422 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8223 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8224 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8225 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.8226 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.7827 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.7828 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.7829 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.7830 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.7831 Jul 2026PSA 10£27.781 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.782 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.493 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.494 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£8.93CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.045 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£8.93CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.046 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£8.93CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.047 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£8.93CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.048 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.80PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.049 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.80PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0410 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.80PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0411 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.80PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0412 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.96PSA 9£9.08CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0413 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.96PSA 9£9.08CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0414 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.96PSA 9£9.08CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0415 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.96PSA 9£9.08CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0416 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.96PSA 9£9.08CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0417 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.96PSA 9£9.08CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0418 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.92PSA 9£9.07CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0419 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.92PSA 9£9.07CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0420 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.92PSA 9£9.07CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0421 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.92PSA 9£9.07CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0422 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.78PSA 9£9.03CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0423 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.78PSA 9£9.03CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0424 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.78PSA 9£9.03CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0425 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.78PSA 9£9.03CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0426 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.78PSA 9£9.03CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0427 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.78PSA 9£9.03CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£36.0428 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2929 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2930 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2931 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.291 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.292 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.293 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.294 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.295 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.20PSA 9£8.87CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.296 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.297 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.298 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.299 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2910 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2911 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2912 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2913 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2914 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2915 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.12PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2916 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.11PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2917 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.11PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2918 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.11PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2919 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.11PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2920 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.11PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2921 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.11PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2922 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.11PSA 9£8.85CGC 10£16.52BGS 10£35.2923 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5424 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5425 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5426 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5427 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5428 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5429 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5430 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.541 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.542 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.543 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.544 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.545 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.546 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.547 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.548 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.549 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5410 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5411 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5412 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5413 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5414 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.61PSA 9£8.71CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5415 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.45PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5416 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.45PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5417 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.45PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5418 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.45PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5419 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.45PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5420 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.45PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5421 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.45PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5422 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.45PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£15.77BGS 10£34.5423 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.43PSA 9£8.68CGC 10£10.51BGS 10£34.54
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.