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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 25.4× raw
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£5.48
Grade 9£16.56
Grade 9.5£18.43
PSA 10£139
BGS 10£181
CGC 10£26.74
A PSA 10 sells for 25.4× the raw card — a gap of £134. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£5.90
30-day low£4.97
Tracked high£5.91
Days tracked140
IllustratorSanosuke Sakuma
Pokédex282
Price history
118 readings · 140d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
24 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.9925 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£4.9726 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.92PriceCharting£4.9727 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£4.9728 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£4.9729 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£5.5430 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.89PriceCharting£5.5431 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.541 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.48
£5.00£5.50
24 Aug25 Aug29 Aug31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
1 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.952 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.643 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.644 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.645 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.666 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.667 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.908 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.909 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.9010 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.9011 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.5912 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.5913 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.5914 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.4415 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.98PriceCharting£5.4416 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.4417 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.4418 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.99PriceCharting£5.4419 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.98PriceCharting£5.4420 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.98PriceCharting£5.8621 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.8622 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.8623 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.7024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.99PriceCharting£5.7025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£4.9726 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.92PriceCharting£4.9727 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£4.9728 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£4.9729 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£5.5430 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.89PriceCharting£5.5431 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.541 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.48
£5.00£5.50
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HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.4515 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3016 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3017 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3018 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3019 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3420 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3421 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3422 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3823 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.3824 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.0925 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.0926 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.0927 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.0928 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.0629 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.0630 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.061 May 2026PriceCharting£4.312 May 2026PriceCharting£4.313 May 2026PriceCharting£5.474 May 2026PriceCharting£5.475 May 2026PriceCharting£5.476 May 2026PriceCharting£5.477 May 2026PriceCharting£5.158 May 2026PriceCharting£5.159 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1510 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.2211 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.2212 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.0513 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.0514 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.0515 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.0516 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.6217 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.6218 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1719 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1720 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1721 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1722 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1723 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1724 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1725 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.3326 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.3327 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1828 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1829 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1830 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1831 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£4.761 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£4.762 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£4.763 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.374 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.375 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.376 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.237 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.238 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.239 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1710 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1711 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1712 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.0213 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.0214 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£4.7315 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£4.7316 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£4.6317 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£4.6318 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1519 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1520 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.1521 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.2822 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.2823 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.2824 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.2725 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.2726 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.2727 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.9128 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.9129 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.9130 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.741 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.742 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.743 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.744 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.835 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.836 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.387 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.388 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.389 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.7310 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.7311 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.7312 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5813 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5814 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5815 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5116 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5117 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5118 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5819 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5820 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5821 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5122 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5123 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5124 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5425 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5426 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.5427 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.9028 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.9029 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.06PriceCharting£5.8330 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.8331 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.831 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.832 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.643 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.644 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.645 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.666 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.667 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.908 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.909 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.9010 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.9011 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.95PriceCharting£5.5912 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.5913 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.5914 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.4415 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.98PriceCharting£5.4416 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.4417 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.4418 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.99PriceCharting£5.4419 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.98PriceCharting£5.4420 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.98PriceCharting£5.8621 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.8622 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.8623 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.93PriceCharting£5.7024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.99PriceCharting£5.7025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£4.9726 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.92PriceCharting£4.9727 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£4.9728 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£4.9729 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.91PriceCharting£5.5430 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.89PriceCharting£5.5431 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.541 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£4.94PriceCharting£5.48
£5.00
14 Apr26 May6 Jul1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £139
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£94.1715 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.2816 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.2817 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.2818 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.2819 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.2820 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.2821 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.2822 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.8723 Apr 2026PSA 10£91.8724 Apr 2026PSA 10£92.1125 Apr 2026PSA 10£92.1126 Apr 2026PSA 10£92.1127 Apr 2026PSA 10£92.1128 Apr 2026PSA 10£90.8529 Apr 2026PSA 10£90.8530 Apr 2026PSA 10£90.851 May 2026PSA 10£93.252 May 2026PSA 10£93.253 May 2026PSA 10£93.254 May 2026PSA 10£93.255 May 2026PSA 10£93.256 May 2026PSA 10£93.257 May 2026PSA 10£92.698 May 2026PSA 10£92.699 May 2026PSA 10£92.6910 May 2026PSA 10£92.6911 May 2026PSA 10£92.6912 May 2026PSA 10£92.6913 May 2026PSA 10£92.6914 May 2026PSA 10£92.6915 May 2026PSA 10£92.6916 May 2026PSA 10£95.2817 May 2026PSA 10£95.2818 May 2026PSA 10£95.2819 May 2026PSA 10£95.2820 May 2026PSA 10£95.2821 May 2026PSA 10£95.2822 May 2026PSA 10£95.2823 May 2026PSA 10£95.2824 May 2026PSA 10£95.2825 May 2026PSA 10£11426 May 2026PSA 10£11427 May 2026PSA 10£11428 May 2026PSA 10£11429 May 2026PSA 10£11430 May 2026PSA 10£11431 May 2026PSA 10£1141 Jun 2026PSA 10£1142 Jun 2026PSA 10£1143 Jun 2026PSA 10£1154 Jun 2026PSA 10£1155 Jun 2026PSA 10£1156 Jun 2026PSA 10£1317 Jun 2026PSA 10£1318 Jun 2026PSA 10£1319 Jun 2026PSA 10£13110 Jun 2026PSA 10£13111 Jun 2026PSA 10£13112 Jun 2026PSA 10£13713 Jun 2026PSA 10£13714 Jun 2026PSA 10£13715 Jun 2026PSA 10£13716 Jun 2026PSA 10£13717 Jun 2026PSA 10£13718 Jun 2026PSA 10£13719 Jun 2026PSA 10£13720 Jun 2026PSA 10£13721 Jun 2026PSA 10£14122 Jun 2026PSA 10£14123 Jun 2026PSA 10£14124 Jun 2026PSA 10£14325 Jun 2026PSA 10£14326 Jun 2026PSA 10£14327 Jun 2026PSA 10£14328 Jun 2026PSA 10£14329 Jun 2026PSA 10£14330 Jun 2026PSA 10£1421 Jul 2026PSA 10£1422 Jul 2026PSA 10£1423 Jul 2026PSA 10£1424 Jul 2026PSA 10£1425 Jul 2026PSA 10£1426 Jul 2026PSA 10£1567 Jul 2026PSA 10£1568 Jul 2026PSA 10£1569 Jul 2026PSA 10£15610 Jul 2026PSA 10£15611 Jul 2026PSA 10£15612 Jul 2026PSA 10£15613 Jul 2026PSA 10£15614 Jul 2026PSA 10£15615 Jul 2026PSA 10£15616 Jul 2026PSA 10£15617 Jul 2026PSA 10£15618 Jul 2026PSA 10£15519 Jul 2026PSA 10£15520 Jul 2026PSA 10£15521 Jul 2026PSA 10£15822 Jul 2026PSA 10£15823 Jul 2026PSA 10£15824 Jul 2026PSA 10£15925 Jul 2026PSA 10£15926 Jul 2026PSA 10£15927 Jul 2026PSA 10£16028 Jul 2026PSA 10£16029 Jul 2026PSA 10£16030 Jul 2026PSA 10£16031 Jul 2026PSA 10£1601 Aug 2026PSA 10£1602 Aug 2026PSA 10£1603 Aug 2026PSA 10£1604 Aug 2026PSA 10£160Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£17.22BGS 10£208CGC 10£27.205 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.58BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.186 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.58BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.187 Aug 2026PSA 10£143Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.58BGS 10£186CGC 10£27.168 Aug 2026PSA 10£143Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.58BGS 10£186CGC 10£27.169 Aug 2026PSA 10£143Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.58BGS 10£186CGC 10£27.1610 Aug 2026PSA 10£143Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.58BGS 10£186CGC 10£27.1611 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.60BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1412 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.60BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1413 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.60BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1414 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.71BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1115 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.71BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1116 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.52BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1017 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.52BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1018 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.52BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1019 Aug 2026PSA 10£154Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.52BGS 10£199CGC 10£27.1020 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£179CGC 10£26.8521 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£179CGC 10£26.8522 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£179CGC 10£26.8523 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.7424 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.7425 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.7426 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.7427 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.7428 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.57BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.7429 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.52BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.7430 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.52BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.7431 Aug 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.52BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.741 Sept 2026PSA 10£139Grade 9.5£18.43Grade 9£16.56BGS 10£181CGC 10£26.74
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14 Apr26 May6 Jul1 Sept
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
5 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
12 Aug 2026New listings/day113 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day116 Aug 2026New listings/day117 Aug 2026New listings/day118 Aug 2026New listings/day119 Aug 2026New listings/day320 Aug 2026New listings/day321 Aug 2026New listings/day122 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day224 Aug 2026New listings/day125 Aug 2026New listings/day226 Aug 2026New listings/day127 Aug 2026New listings/day128 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day330 Aug 2026New listings/day5
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New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
10 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.