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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 6.3× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£53.89
PSA 10£339
PSA 9£151
CGC 10£59.02
BGS 10£440
A PSA 10 sells for 6.3× the raw card — a gap of £285. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£54.70
30-day low£37.71
Tracked high£54.70
Days tracked195
IllustratorKatsura Tabata
Pokédex215
Price history
125 readings · 195d
HoloHawk awaiting data£53.89+19.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
19 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0120 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0121 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0122 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0123 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7024 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7025 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7026 Oct 2026PriceCharting£53.89
£47.50£50.00£52.50
19 Oct19 Oct19 Oct23 Oct23 Oct26 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£53.89+59.2%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
26 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.7127 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.7128 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.7129 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.7130 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.711 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.752 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.753 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.754 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.755 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.756 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.757 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.758 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.759 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7510 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7511 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7512 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7513 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7514 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7515 Oct 2026PriceCharting£45.1516 Oct 2026PriceCharting£45.1517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£45.1518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£45.1519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0120 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0121 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0122 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0123 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7024 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7025 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7026 Oct 2026PriceCharting£53.89
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HoloHawk awaiting data£53.89+110.6%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.5915 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.5916 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.5917 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.5918 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.5919 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.5320 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.5321 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.5322 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.2923 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.2924 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.2925 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.2926 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.2827 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.2828 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.2829 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.2830 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.281 May 2026PriceCharting£25.282 May 2026PriceCharting£25.353 May 2026PriceCharting£25.354 May 2026PriceCharting£25.355 May 2026PriceCharting£25.356 May 2026PriceCharting£25.407 May 2026PriceCharting£25.408 May 2026PriceCharting£25.449 May 2026PriceCharting£25.4410 May 2026PriceCharting£25.4411 May 2026PriceCharting£25.4612 May 2026PriceCharting£25.4613 May 2026PriceCharting£25.4614 May 2026PriceCharting£25.4615 May 2026PriceCharting£25.4616 May 2026PriceCharting£25.4617 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0818 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0819 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0820 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0821 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0822 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0823 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0824 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0825 May 2026PriceCharting£24.0826 May 2026PriceCharting£23.5427 May 2026PriceCharting£23.5428 May 2026PriceCharting£23.5429 May 2026PriceCharting£23.5430 May 2026PriceCharting£23.5431 May 2026PriceCharting£25.131 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.132 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.133 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.134 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.135 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.136 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.137 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.058 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.059 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.0510 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.0511 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.0512 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.0513 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9614 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9615 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9616 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9617 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9618 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9619 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9620 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9621 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9622 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9623 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9624 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9625 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9626 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9627 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9628 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9629 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.9630 Jun 2026PriceCharting£25.961 Jul 2026PriceCharting£25.962 Jul 2026PriceCharting£25.963 Jul 2026PriceCharting£24.864 Jul 2026PriceCharting£24.865 Jul 2026PriceCharting£24.866 Jul 2026PriceCharting£24.867 Jul 2026PriceCharting£24.868 Jul 2026PriceCharting£24.869 Jul 2026PriceCharting£30.0410 Jul 2026PriceCharting£30.0411 Jul 2026PriceCharting£30.0412 Jul 2026PriceCharting£30.0413 Jul 2026PriceCharting£30.0414 Jul 2026PriceCharting£30.0415 Jul 2026PriceCharting£36.1216 Jul 2026PriceCharting£36.1217 Jul 2026PriceCharting£36.1218 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.7019 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.7020 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.7021 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.7022 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.7023 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.7024 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.0125 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.0126 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.0127 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.0128 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.0129 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.0130 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.0131 Jul 2026PriceCharting£38.011 Aug 2026PriceCharting£38.012 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.623 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.624 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.625 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.626 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.627 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.628 Aug 2026PriceCharting£35.279 Aug 2026PriceCharting£35.2710 Aug 2026PriceCharting£35.2711 Aug 2026PriceCharting£35.2712 Aug 2026PriceCharting£35.2713 Aug 2026PriceCharting£35.2714 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.9115 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.9116 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.9117 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.9118 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.9119 Aug 2026PriceCharting£34.9120 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.4721 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.4722 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.4723 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.5524 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.5525 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.5526 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.5527 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.5528 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.5829 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.5830 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.5831 Aug 2026PriceCharting£37.581 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.582 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.113 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.114 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.115 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.116 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.867 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.868 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.869 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.8610 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.8611 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.8612 Sept 2026PriceCharting£32.8413 Sept 2026PriceCharting£32.8414 Sept 2026PriceCharting£32.8415 Sept 2026PriceCharting£32.8416 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.1717 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.1718 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.1719 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.1720 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.1721 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.1722 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.8623 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.8624 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.8625 Sept 2026PriceCharting£33.8626 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.7127 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.7128 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.7129 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.7130 Sept 2026PriceCharting£37.711 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.752 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.753 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.754 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.755 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.756 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.757 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.758 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.759 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7510 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7511 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7512 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7513 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7514 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.7515 Oct 2026PriceCharting£45.1516 Oct 2026PriceCharting£45.1517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£45.1518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£45.1519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0120 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0121 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0122 Oct 2026PriceCharting£47.0123 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7024 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7025 Oct 2026PriceCharting£54.7026 Oct 2026PriceCharting£53.89
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£11615 Apr 2026PSA 10£11616 Apr 2026PSA 10£11617 Apr 2026PSA 10£11618 Apr 2026PSA 10£11619 Apr 2026PSA 10£11620 Apr 2026PSA 10£11621 Apr 2026PSA 10£11622 Apr 2026PSA 10£11623 Apr 2026PSA 10£11624 Apr 2026PSA 10£11625 Apr 2026PSA 10£11626 Apr 2026PSA 10£11627 Apr 2026PSA 10£11628 Apr 2026PSA 10£11629 Apr 2026PSA 10£11630 Apr 2026PSA 10£1161 May 2026PSA 10£1162 May 2026PSA 10£1163 May 2026PSA 10£1164 May 2026PSA 10£1165 May 2026PSA 10£1166 May 2026PSA 10£1167 May 2026PSA 10£1168 May 2026PSA 10£1169 May 2026PSA 10£11610 May 2026PSA 10£11611 May 2026PSA 10£11612 May 2026PSA 10£11613 May 2026PSA 10£11614 May 2026PSA 10£11615 May 2026PSA 10£11616 May 2026PSA 10£11617 May 2026PSA 10£11618 May 2026PSA 10£11619 May 2026PSA 10£11620 May 2026PSA 10£11621 May 2026PSA 10£11622 May 2026PSA 10£11623 May 2026PSA 10£11624 May 2026PSA 10£11625 May 2026PSA 10£11626 May 2026PSA 10£11627 May 2026PSA 10£11628 May 2026PSA 10£11629 May 2026PSA 10£11630 May 2026PSA 10£11631 May 2026PSA 10£1161 Jun 2026PSA 10£1162 Jun 2026PSA 10£1163 Jun 2026PSA 10£1164 Jun 2026PSA 10£1155 Jun 2026PSA 10£1156 Jun 2026PSA 10£1157 Jun 2026PSA 10£1148 Jun 2026PSA 10£1149 Jun 2026PSA 10£11410 Jun 2026PSA 10£11411 Jun 2026PSA 10£11412 Jun 2026PSA 10£11413 Jun 2026PSA 10£11414 Jun 2026PSA 10£11415 Jun 2026PSA 10£11416 Jun 2026PSA 10£11417 Jun 2026PSA 10£11418 Jun 2026PSA 10£11419 Jun 2026PSA 10£11420 Jun 2026PSA 10£11421 Jun 2026PSA 10£11422 Jun 2026PSA 10£11423 Jun 2026PSA 10£11424 Jun 2026PSA 10£11425 Jun 2026PSA 10£11426 Jun 2026PSA 10£11427 Jun 2026PSA 10£11428 Jun 2026PSA 10£11429 Jun 2026PSA 10£11430 Jun 2026PSA 10£1141 Jul 2026PSA 10£1142 Jul 2026PSA 10£1143 Jul 2026PSA 10£1144 Jul 2026PSA 10£1145 Jul 2026PSA 10£1146 Jul 2026PSA 10£1147 Jul 2026PSA 10£1148 Jul 2026PSA 10£1149 Jul 2026PSA 10£11310 Jul 2026PSA 10£11311 Jul 2026PSA 10£11312 Jul 2026PSA 10£11313 Jul 2026PSA 10£11314 Jul 2026PSA 10£11315 Jul 2026PSA 10£11316 Jul 2026PSA 10£11317 Jul 2026PSA 10£11318 Jul 2026PSA 10£11319 Jul 2026PSA 10£11320 Jul 2026PSA 10£11321 Jul 2026PSA 10£11322 Jul 2026PSA 10£11323 Jul 2026PSA 10£11324 Jul 2026PSA 10£14625 Jul 2026PSA 10£14626 Jul 2026PSA 10£14627 Jul 2026PSA 10£14628 Jul 2026PSA 10£14629 Jul 2026PSA 10£14630 Jul 2026PSA 10£14631 Jul 2026PSA 10£1471 Aug 2026PSA 10£1472 Aug 2026PSA 10£2173 Aug 2026PSA 10£2174 Aug 2026PSA 10£217PSA 9£65.48CGC 10£62.82BGS 10£2825 Aug 2026PSA 10£217PSA 9£65.48CGC 10£62.82BGS 10£2826 Aug 2026PSA 10£217PSA 9£65.48CGC 10£62.82BGS 10£2827 Aug 2026PSA 10£217PSA 9£65.48CGC 10£62.82BGS 10£2828 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.32BGS 10£3729 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.32BGS 10£37210 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.32BGS 10£37211 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.32BGS 10£37212 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.32BGS 10£37213 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.32BGS 10£37214 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.57BGS 10£37215 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.57BGS 10£37216 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.57BGS 10£37217 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.57BGS 10£37218 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.57BGS 10£37219 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.57BGS 10£37220 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.70BGS 10£37221 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.70BGS 10£37222 Aug 2026PSA 10£286PSA 9£82.97CGC 10£63.70BGS 10£37223 Aug 2026PSA 10£287PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.76BGS 10£37324 Aug 2026PSA 10£287PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.76BGS 10£37325 Aug 2026PSA 10£287PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.76BGS 10£37326 Aug 2026PSA 10£287PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.76BGS 10£37327 Aug 2026PSA 10£287PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.76BGS 10£37328 Aug 2026PSA 10£288PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.79BGS 10£37429 Aug 2026PSA 10£288PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.79BGS 10£37430 Aug 2026PSA 10£288PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.79BGS 10£37431 Aug 2026PSA 10£288PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.79BGS 10£3741 Sept 2026PSA 10£288PSA 9£84.53CGC 10£63.79BGS 10£3742 Sept 2026PSA 10£292PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.80BGS 10£3803 Sept 2026PSA 10£292PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.80BGS 10£3804 Sept 2026PSA 10£292PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.80BGS 10£3805 Sept 2026PSA 10£292PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.80BGS 10£3806 Sept 2026PSA 10£298PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.81BGS 10£3877 Sept 2026PSA 10£298PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.81BGS 10£3878 Sept 2026PSA 10£298PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.81BGS 10£3879 Sept 2026PSA 10£298PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£38710 Sept 2026PSA 10£298PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£38711 Sept 2026PSA 10£298PSA 9£86.55CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£38712 Sept 2026PSA 10£312PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£40613 Sept 2026PSA 10£312PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£40614 Sept 2026PSA 10£312PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£40615 Sept 2026PSA 10£312PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£40616 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41117 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41118 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41119 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41120 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41121 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41122 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41123 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41124 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41125 Sept 2026PSA 10£316PSA 9£114CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£41126 Sept 2026PSA 10£332PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43227 Sept 2026PSA 10£332PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43228 Sept 2026PSA 10£332PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43229 Sept 2026PSA 10£332PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43230 Sept 2026PSA 10£332PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4321 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4332 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4333 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4334 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4335 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4336 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4337 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4338 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£4339 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43310 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43311 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43312 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43313 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43314 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£124CGC 10£63.82BGS 10£43315 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£135CGC 10£59.66BGS 10£44016 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£135CGC 10£59.66BGS 10£44017 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£135CGC 10£59.66BGS 10£44018 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£135CGC 10£59.66BGS 10£44019 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£135CGC 10£59.34BGS 10£44020 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£135CGC 10£59.34BGS 10£44021 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£135CGC 10£59.34BGS 10£44022 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£135CGC 10£59.34BGS 10£44023 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£148CGC 10£59.16BGS 10£44024 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£148CGC 10£59.16BGS 10£44025 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£148CGC 10£59.16BGS 10£44026 Oct 2026PSA 10£339PSA 9£151CGC 10£59.02BGS 10£440
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.
