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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£0.87
Grade 9£62.78
Grade 9.5£69.43
PSA 10£75.34
BGS 10£98.23
CGC 10£45.05
At a glance
30-day high£1.00
30-day low£0.76
Tracked high£1.29
Days tracked138
Illustratormatch
Pokédex105
Price history
114 readings · 138d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
18 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.3623 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8624 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8625 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8626 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8828 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8829 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8830 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.87
£1.00£1.20
23 Aug23 Aug26 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
18 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.3631 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.001 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.002 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.003 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.904 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.905 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.906 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.907 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.908 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.909 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8910 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8911 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8912 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8913 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7614 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7615 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7616 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7617 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7618 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7619 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8620 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8621 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8622 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8623 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8624 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8625 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8626 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8828 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8829 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8830 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.87
£1.00£1.25
31 Jul3 Aug13 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.7215 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.7216 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.7217 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.6818 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6819 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6820 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6821 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6822 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7223 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7224 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7225 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7226 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7227 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7228 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6829 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6830 Apr 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.681 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.682 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.543 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.544 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.545 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.546 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.547 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.548 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.639 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6310 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6311 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6312 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6313 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7314 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7315 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7316 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7317 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7318 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7319 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7320 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7321 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7322 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6823 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6824 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6825 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6826 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.6827 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7328 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7329 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7330 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7331 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.731 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.732 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.733 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.734 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.735 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.736 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.737 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.928 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.929 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9210 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9211 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9212 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9213 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9214 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8115 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8116 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8117 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.2918 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.2919 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.2920 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.2921 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.2922 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.2923 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.2924 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.0625 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.0626 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.0627 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.0628 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.0629 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.0630 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.061 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.062 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.063 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.064 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.925 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.926 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.927 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.928 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.929 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9210 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7411 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7412 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7413 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9814 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9815 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9816 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9817 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9818 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9819 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.9820 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7321 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7322 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7323 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7324 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7325 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7326 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7327 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7328 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7329 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7330 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.0031 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.001 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.002 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£1.003 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.904 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.905 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.906 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.907 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.908 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.909 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8910 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8911 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8912 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8913 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7614 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7615 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7616 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7617 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7618 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.7619 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8620 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8621 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8622 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8623 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8624 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8625 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8626 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8828 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8829 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.8830 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.36PriceCharting£0.87
£1.00
14 Apr25 May3 Jul30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £75.34
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3415 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3416 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3417 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3418 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3419 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3420 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3421 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3422 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3423 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3424 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3425 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3426 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3427 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3428 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3429 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.3430 Apr 2026PSA 10£75.341 May 2026PSA 10£75.342 May 2026PSA 10£75.343 May 2026PSA 10£75.344 May 2026PSA 10£75.345 May 2026PSA 10£75.346 May 2026PSA 10£75.347 May 2026PSA 10£75.348 May 2026PSA 10£75.349 May 2026PSA 10£75.3410 May 2026PSA 10£75.3411 May 2026PSA 10£75.3412 May 2026PSA 10£75.3413 May 2026PSA 10£75.3414 May 2026PSA 10£75.3415 May 2026PSA 10£75.3416 May 2026PSA 10£75.3417 May 2026PSA 10£75.3418 May 2026PSA 10£75.3419 May 2026PSA 10£75.3420 May 2026PSA 10£75.3421 May 2026PSA 10£75.3422 May 2026PSA 10£75.3423 May 2026PSA 10£75.3424 May 2026PSA 10£75.3425 May 2026PSA 10£75.3426 May 2026PSA 10£75.3427 May 2026PSA 10£75.3428 May 2026PSA 10£75.3429 May 2026PSA 10£75.3430 May 2026PSA 10£75.3431 May 2026PSA 10£75.341 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.342 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.343 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.344 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.345 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.346 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.347 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.348 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.349 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3410 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3411 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3412 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3413 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3414 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3415 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3416 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3417 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3418 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3419 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3420 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3421 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3422 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3423 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3424 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3425 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3426 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3427 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3428 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3429 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.3430 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.341 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.342 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.343 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.344 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.345 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.346 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.347 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.348 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.349 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3410 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3411 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3412 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3413 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3414 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3415 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3416 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3417 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3418 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3419 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3420 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3421 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3422 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3423 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3424 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3425 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3426 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3427 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3428 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3429 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3430 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.3431 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.341 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.342 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.343 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.344 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.055 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.056 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.057 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.058 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.059 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0510 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0511 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0512 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0513 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0514 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0515 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0516 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0517 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0518 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0519 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0520 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0521 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0522 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0523 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0524 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0525 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0526 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0527 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0528 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0529 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.0530 Aug 2026PSA 10£75.34Grade 9.5£69.43Grade 9£62.78BGS 10£98.23CGC 10£45.05
£60.00£80.00
14 Apr25 May3 Jul30 Aug
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
From tomorrow
How much new stock hits the UK market each day Listing capture began today and the first daily rollup runs tonight. From tomorrow this charts how many new listings appear for this card, so you can see supply building or drying up.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
Building
Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.