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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 28.7× raw
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£1,041
Grade 9£4,429
Grade 9.5£4,441
PSA 10£29,836
BGS 10£38,787
CGC 10£4,787
A PSA 10 sells for 28.7× the raw card — a gap of £28,795. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£1,041
30-day low£947
Tracked high£1,041
Days tracked140
IllustratorMasakazu Fukuda
Pokédex382
Price history
118 readings · 140d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
20 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£80721 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£80722 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£80723 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£80724 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£80725 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,04127 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,04128 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,04129 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,04130 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,04131 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,0411 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,041
£1,000
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HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
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£1,000
2 Aug5 Aug21 Aug1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
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Market£807PriceCharting£89722 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£89723 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£89724 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£88625 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£88626 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£88627 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£88628 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£88629 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£88630 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£94731 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9471 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9472 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9473 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9474 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9475 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9476 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9477 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9478 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£9479 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£94710 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£94711 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02012 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02013 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02014 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02015 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02016 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02017 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02318 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02322 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02323 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,02026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£807PriceCharting£1,04127 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,04128 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,04129 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,04130 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,04131 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,0411 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1,199PriceCharting£1,041
£800£1,000
14 Apr26 May6 Jul1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £29,836
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,70715 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,70716 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,70717 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71218 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71219 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71220 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71221 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71222 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71523 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71624 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71625 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71626 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71727 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71728 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71729 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,71730 Apr 2026PSA 10£3,7171 May 2026PSA 10£3,7172 May 2026PSA 10£3,7173 May 2026PSA 10£3,7164 May 2026PSA 10£3,7165 May 2026PSA 10£3,7166 May 2026PSA 10£3,7167 May 2026PSA 10£3,7168 May 2026PSA 10£3,7169 May 2026PSA 10£3,71610 May 2026PSA 10£3,71611 May 2026PSA 10£3,71612 May 2026PSA 10£3,71613 May 2026PSA 10£3,71614 May 2026PSA 10£3,71615 May 2026PSA 10£3,71616 May 2026PSA 10£3,71517 May 2026PSA 10£3,71518 May 2026PSA 10£3,71519 May 2026PSA 10£3,71520 May 2026PSA 10£3,71521 May 2026PSA 10£3,71522 May 2026PSA 10£3,71523 May 2026PSA 10£3,71524 May 2026PSA 10£3,71525 May 2026PSA 10£3,71426 May 2026PSA 10£3,71427 May 2026PSA 10£3,71428 May 2026PSA 10£3,71429 May 2026PSA 10£3,71430 May 2026PSA 10£3,71431 May 2026PSA 10£4,7541 Jun 2026PSA 10£4,7542 Jun 2026PSA 10£4,7543 Jun 2026PSA 10£4,7544 Jun 2026PSA 10£4,7545 Jun 2026PSA 10£11,1416 Jun 2026PSA 10£11,1417 Jun 2026PSA 10£11,1418 Jun 2026PSA 10£10,8469 Jun 2026PSA 10£10,84610 Jun 2026PSA 10£10,84611 Jun 2026PSA 10£10,84612 Jun 2026PSA 10£13,06013 Jun 2026PSA 10£13,06014 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,08115 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,08116 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,08117 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51518 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51519 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51520 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51521 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51522 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51523 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51524 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51525 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51526 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51527 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51528 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51529 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,51530 Jun 2026PSA 10£14,4211 Jul 2026PSA 10£14,4212 Jul 2026PSA 10£14,4213 Jul 2026PSA 10£14,4214 Jul 2026PSA 10£12,7095 Jul 2026PSA 10£12,7096 Jul 2026PSA 10£12,7097 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,5298 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,5299 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,52910 Jul 2026PSA 10£10,93911 Jul 2026PSA 10£10,93912 Jul 2026PSA 10£10,93913 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,04014 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,04015 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,04016 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72117 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72118 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72119 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72120 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72121 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72122 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72123 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72124 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72125 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72126 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72127 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72128 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72129 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72130 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,72131 Jul 2026PSA 10£11,7211 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,7212 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,7213 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,7214 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,7875 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,7876 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,7877 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,7878 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,7879 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,78710 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,78711 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,78712 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,78713 Aug 2026PSA 10£11,721Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,223BGS 10£15,237CGC 10£4,78714 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,207BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78715 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,207BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78716 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,207BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78717 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,215BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78718 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,215BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78719 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,215BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78720 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,432Grade 9£4,215BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78721 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,898Grade 9£4,452BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78722 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,898Grade 9£4,452BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78723 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,506Grade 9£4,463BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78724 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,506Grade 9£4,463BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78725 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,506Grade 9£4,463BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78726 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,469Grade 9£4,446BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78727 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,469Grade 9£4,446BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78728 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,469Grade 9£4,446BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78729 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,469Grade 9£4,446BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78730 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,450Grade 9£4,438BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,78731 Aug 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,450Grade 9£4,438BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,7871 Sept 2026PSA 10£29,836Grade 9.5£4,441Grade 9£4,429BGS 10£38,787CGC 10£4,787
£20,000
14 Apr26 May6 Jul1 Sept
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
27 Aug 2026New listings/day128 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day0
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New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
1 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.