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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£2.22
Grade 9£25.62
Grade 9.5£28.08
PSA 10£127
BGS 10£166
CGC 10£22.17
At a glance
30-day high£2.22
30-day low£1.84
Tracked high£2.22
Days tracked139
IllustratorMidori Harada
Pokédex156
Price history
117 readings · 139d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
17 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.8518 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.8519 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.8520 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.8521 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.8522 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.8523 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.8524 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2225 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2226 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2227 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2228 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2229 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.22
£2.00£2.20
24 Aug25 Aug27 Aug31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
25 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.1526 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.1527 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.8428 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.8429 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.8430 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.8431 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.841 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.032 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.033 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.034 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.845 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.846 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.847 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.848 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.849 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.8410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.8411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.8412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.8413 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8414 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8415 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8416 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8417 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8418 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8419 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2220 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2221 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2222 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2223 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2224 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2225 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2226 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2227 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2228 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2229 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.22
£5.00£10.00£15.00
1 Aug4 Aug19 Aug31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4715 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4716 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4717 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4718 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4719 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4720 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4721 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4722 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4623 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4624 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4625 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4626 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4627 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4628 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4629 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.8430 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.841 May 2026PriceCharting£1.842 May 2026PriceCharting£1.483 May 2026PriceCharting£1.484 May 2026PriceCharting£1.485 May 2026PriceCharting£1.486 May 2026PriceCharting£1.487 May 2026PriceCharting£1.468 May 2026PriceCharting£1.469 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4610 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4611 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4612 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4613 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4614 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4615 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4616 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4617 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5118 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5119 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5120 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5521 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5522 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5523 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6624 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6625 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6626 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6327 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6328 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6329 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6330 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4831 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.481 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.482 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.483 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.484 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.265 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.266 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.267 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.268 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.269 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.2610 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.4811 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.4812 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.4813 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.4814 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.4815 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.4816 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.6217 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.6218 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.6219 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.6220 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.6221 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.6222 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.7923 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.7924 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.7925 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.16PriceCharting£1.8126 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.8127 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.8128 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.8629 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.8630 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.861 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.862 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.963 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.964 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.975 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.976 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.977 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.978 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.979 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.9710 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.9711 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.9712 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.9713 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£1.9714 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0215 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0216 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0217 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0218 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0219 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0220 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0221 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0222 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.0223 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.1724 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.1725 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.1726 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.15PriceCharting£2.1727 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.1728 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.1729 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.1730 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.1731 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.171 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.032 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.033 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£2.034 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.845 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.846 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.847 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.848 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.849 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.8410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.8411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.8412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£16.84PriceCharting£1.8413 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8414 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8415 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8416 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8417 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8418 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£1.8419 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2220 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2221 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2222 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2223 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.85PriceCharting£2.2224 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2225 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2226 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2227 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2228 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2229 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.2231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.33PriceCharting£2.22
£10.00
14 Apr26 May5 Jul31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £127
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9815 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9816 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9817 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9818 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9619 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9620 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9621 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9622 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9523 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9324 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9325 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9326 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9327 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9328 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9329 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.9030 Apr 2026PSA 10£38.901 May 2026PSA 10£38.902 May 2026PSA 10£38.883 May 2026PSA 10£38.884 May 2026PSA 10£38.885 May 2026PSA 10£38.876 May 2026PSA 10£38.877 May 2026PSA 10£38.858 May 2026PSA 10£38.859 May 2026PSA 10£38.8510 May 2026PSA 10£38.8511 May 2026PSA 10£38.8412 May 2026PSA 10£38.8413 May 2026PSA 10£38.8414 May 2026PSA 10£38.8215 May 2026PSA 10£38.8216 May 2026PSA 10£38.8217 May 2026PSA 10£38.8118 May 2026PSA 10£38.8119 May 2026PSA 10£38.8120 May 2026PSA 10£38.7921 May 2026PSA 10£38.7922 May 2026PSA 10£38.7923 May 2026PSA 10£38.7824 May 2026PSA 10£38.7825 May 2026PSA 10£38.7826 May 2026PSA 10£38.7627 May 2026PSA 10£38.7628 May 2026PSA 10£38.7629 May 2026PSA 10£38.7630 May 2026PSA 10£38.7531 May 2026PSA 10£38.751 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.732 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.733 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.734 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.725 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.726 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.727 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.728 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.709 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.7010 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6911 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6912 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6913 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6714 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6715 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6716 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6617 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6618 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6619 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6620 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6421 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6422 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6323 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6324 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6325 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6126 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6127 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6128 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6029 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.6030 Jun 2026PSA 10£38.601 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.602 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.593 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.594 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.585 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.586 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.587 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.588 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.589 Jul 2026PSA 10£38.5810 Jul 2026PSA 10£12711 Jul 2026PSA 10£12712 Jul 2026PSA 10£12713 Jul 2026PSA 10£12714 Jul 2026PSA 10£12715 Jul 2026PSA 10£12716 Jul 2026PSA 10£12717 Jul 2026PSA 10£12718 Jul 2026PSA 10£12719 Jul 2026PSA 10£12720 Jul 2026PSA 10£12721 Jul 2026PSA 10£12722 Jul 2026PSA 10£12723 Jul 2026PSA 10£12724 Jul 2026PSA 10£12725 Jul 2026PSA 10£12726 Jul 2026PSA 10£12727 Jul 2026PSA 10£12728 Jul 2026PSA 10£12729 Jul 2026PSA 10£12730 Jul 2026PSA 10£12731 Jul 2026PSA 10£1271 Aug 2026PSA 10£1272 Aug 2026PSA 10£1273 Aug 2026PSA 10£1274 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£12.195 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£12.196 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£12.197 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.178 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.179 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1710 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1711 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1712 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1713 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1714 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1715 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1716 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1717 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1718 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1719 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1720 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1721 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1722 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1723 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1724 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1725 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1726 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1727 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1728 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1729 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1730 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.1731 Aug 2026PSA 10£127Grade 9.5£28.08Grade 9£25.62BGS 10£166CGC 10£22.17
£100
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
4 Aug 2026New listings/day15 Aug 2026New listings/day06 Aug 2026New listings/day07 Aug 2026New listings/day08 Aug 2026New listings/day09 Aug 2026New listings/day010 Aug 2026New listings/day011 Aug 2026New listings/day012 Aug 2026New listings/day113 Aug 2026New listings/day114 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day125 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day028 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day031 Aug 2026New listings/day0
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4 Aug13 Aug22 Aug31 Aug
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Building
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
1 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.