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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£0.42
PSA 10£28.97
PSA 9£10.37
CGC 10£11.94
BGS 10£37.32
At a glance
30-day high£0.57
30-day low£0.36
Tracked high£0.57
Days tracked192
IllustratorAkira Komayama
Pokédex626
Price history
116 readings · 192d
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.42-26.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
16 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5717 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5718 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5719 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5720 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5721 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5722 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5723 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.42
£0.45£0.50£0.55
16 Oct16 Oct16 Oct23 Oct23 Oct23 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.42+16.7%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3624 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3625 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3626 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3627 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3628 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3629 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3630 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.361 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.362 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.493 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.494 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.495 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.496 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.497 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.498 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.499 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4910 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4912 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4913 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4914 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4915 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5716 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5717 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5718 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5719 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5720 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5721 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5722 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5723 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.42
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HoloHawk awaiting data£0.42-20.8%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5315 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3316 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3317 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3318 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3319 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3320 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3321 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3322 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3323 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3324 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.3325 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2826 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2827 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2828 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2829 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2830 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.281 May 2026PriceCharting£0.282 May 2026PriceCharting£0.283 May 2026PriceCharting£0.284 May 2026PriceCharting£0.285 May 2026PriceCharting£0.376 May 2026PriceCharting£0.377 May 2026PriceCharting£0.378 May 2026PriceCharting£0.379 May 2026PriceCharting£0.3710 May 2026PriceCharting£0.3711 May 2026PriceCharting£0.3712 May 2026PriceCharting£0.3713 May 2026PriceCharting£0.3714 May 2026PriceCharting£0.3715 May 2026PriceCharting£0.3716 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5717 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5718 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5719 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5720 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5721 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5722 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5723 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5724 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5725 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4426 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4427 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4428 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4429 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4430 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4431 May 2026PriceCharting£0.441 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.442 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.443 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.444 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.445 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.446 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.447 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.448 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.449 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.4410 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.4411 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.4412 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.4413 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.4414 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5715 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5716 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5717 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5718 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5719 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5720 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5721 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5722 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5723 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5724 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5725 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5726 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5727 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5728 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5729 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5730 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.571 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.572 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.573 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.574 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.575 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.576 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.577 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.578 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.579 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5710 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5711 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5712 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5713 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5714 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5715 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5716 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5717 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5718 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5719 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5720 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5721 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5722 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5723 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5724 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5725 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5726 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5727 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5728 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5729 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5730 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5731 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.571 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.572 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.573 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.374 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.375 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.376 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.377 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.378 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.379 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3710 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3711 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3712 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3713 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4514 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4515 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4516 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4517 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4518 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4519 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4520 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4521 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4522 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4523 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4524 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4525 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4526 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4527 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4528 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4529 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4530 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4531 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.451 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.452 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.403 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.404 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.405 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.406 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.407 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.408 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.409 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4010 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4011 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4012 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3613 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3614 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3615 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3616 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3617 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3618 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3619 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3620 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3621 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3622 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3623 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3624 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3625 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3626 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3627 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3628 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3629 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3630 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.361 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.362 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.493 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.494 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.495 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.496 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.497 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.498 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.499 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4910 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4912 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4913 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4914 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4915 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5716 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5717 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5718 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5719 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5720 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5721 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5722 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.5723 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.42
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
5 May 2026PSA 10£25.406 May 2026PSA 10£25.407 May 2026PSA 10£25.408 May 2026PSA 10£25.409 May 2026PSA 10£25.4010 May 2026PSA 10£25.4011 May 2026PSA 10£25.4012 May 2026PSA 10£25.4013 May 2026PSA 10£25.4014 May 2026PSA 10£25.4015 May 2026PSA 10£25.4016 May 2026PSA 10£26.4717 May 2026PSA 10£26.4718 May 2026PSA 10£26.4719 May 2026PSA 10£26.4720 May 2026PSA 10£26.4721 May 2026PSA 10£26.4722 May 2026PSA 10£26.4723 May 2026PSA 10£26.4724 May 2026PSA 10£26.4725 May 2026PSA 10£28.7026 May 2026PSA 10£28.7027 May 2026PSA 10£28.7028 May 2026PSA 10£28.7029 May 2026PSA 10£28.7030 May 2026PSA 10£28.7031 May 2026PSA 10£28.701 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.702 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.703 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.704 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.245 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.246 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.247 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.248 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.249 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2410 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2411 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2412 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2413 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2414 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2615 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2616 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2617 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2618 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2619 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2620 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2621 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2622 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2623 Jun 2026PSA 10£27.2624 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.6825 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.6826 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.6827 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.6828 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.6829 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.6830 Jun 2026PSA 10£28.681 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.682 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.683 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.684 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.705 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.706 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.707 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.708 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.709 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7010 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7011 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7012 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7013 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7014 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7315 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7316 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7317 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7318 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7319 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7320 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7321 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7322 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7323 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7324 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7625 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7626 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7627 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7628 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7629 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7630 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.7631 Jul 2026PSA 10£28.761 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.762 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.763 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.864 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.325 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.326 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.327 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.328 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.329 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.3210 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.3211 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.3212 Aug 2026PSA 10£28.86PSA 9£10.36CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£37.3213 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3314 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3315 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3316 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3317 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3318 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3319 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3320 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3321 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3322 Aug 2026PSA 10£26.52PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3323 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8224 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8225 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8226 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8227 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8228 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8229 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8230 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8231 Aug 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.821 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.46PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.822 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.823 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.824 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.825 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.826 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.827 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.828 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.829 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8210 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8211 Sept 2026PSA 10£27.49PSA 9£9.73CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.8212 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0813 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0814 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0815 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0816 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0817 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0818 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0819 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0820 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0821 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.91PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£16.42BGS 10£35.0822 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3323 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3324 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3325 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3326 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3327 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3328 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3329 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3330 Sept 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.331 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.49PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.332 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.333 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.334 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.335 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.336 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.337 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.338 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.339 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3310 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3311 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3312 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3313 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3314 Oct 2026PSA 10£26.51PSA 9£9.29CGC 10£15.67BGS 10£34.3315 Oct 2026PSA 10£27.99PSA 9£9.95CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£36.5716 Oct 2026PSA 10£27.99PSA 9£9.95CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£36.5717 Oct 2026PSA 10£27.99PSA 9£9.95CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£36.5718 Oct 2026PSA 10£27.99PSA 9£9.95CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£36.5719 Oct 2026PSA 10£27.99PSA 9£9.95CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£36.5720 Oct 2026PSA 10£27.99PSA 9£9.95CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£36.5721 Oct 2026PSA 10£27.99PSA 9£9.95CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£36.5722 Oct 2026PSA 10£27.99PSA 9£9.95CGC 10£17.17BGS 10£36.5723 Oct 2026PSA 10£28.97PSA 9£10.37CGC 10£11.94BGS 10£37.32
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.
