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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 28.2× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£15.04
PSA 10£424
PSA 9£56.26
CGC 10£94.07
BGS 10£552
A PSA 10 sells for 28.2× the raw card — a gap of £409. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£15.04
30-day low£15.04
Tracked high£15.04
Days tracked194
Price history
116 readings · 194d
HoloHawk awaiting data£15.040.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
18 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0419 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.04
£14.50£15.00£15.50
18 Oct18 Oct18 Oct25 Oct25 Oct25 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£15.040.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
25 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0426 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0427 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0428 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0429 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0430 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.041 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.042 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.043 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.044 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.045 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.046 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.047 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.048 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.049 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0410 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0411 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0412 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0413 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0414 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0415 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0416 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0417 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0418 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0419 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.04
£14.50£15.00£15.50
25 Sept25 Sept25 Sept15 Oct15 Oct25 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£15.04+81.6%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.2815 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.2816 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.2817 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.2818 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.2819 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.2820 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.2821 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.2822 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.8923 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.8924 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.8925 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.8926 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.8927 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.8928 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.8929 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.8930 Apr 2026PriceCharting£8.891 May 2026PriceCharting£10.342 May 2026PriceCharting£10.343 May 2026PriceCharting£10.344 May 2026PriceCharting£10.345 May 2026PriceCharting£10.346 May 2026PriceCharting£10.347 May 2026PriceCharting£10.348 May 2026PriceCharting£10.349 May 2026PriceCharting£10.3410 May 2026PriceCharting£10.3411 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6012 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6013 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6014 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6015 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6016 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6017 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6018 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6019 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6020 May 2026PriceCharting£11.6021 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1422 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1423 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1424 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1425 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1426 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1427 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1428 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1429 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1430 May 2026PriceCharting£12.1431 May 2026PriceCharting£11.681 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.682 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.683 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.684 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.685 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.686 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.687 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.688 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.689 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6810 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6611 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6612 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6613 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6614 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6615 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6616 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6617 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6618 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6619 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6620 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6821 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6822 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6823 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6824 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6825 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6826 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6827 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6828 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6829 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.6830 Jun 2026PriceCharting£11.701 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.702 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.703 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.704 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.705 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.706 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.707 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.708 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.709 Jul 2026PriceCharting£11.7010 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4611 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4612 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4613 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4614 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4615 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4616 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4617 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4618 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4619 Jul 2026PriceCharting£12.4620 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9621 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9622 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9623 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9624 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9625 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9626 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9627 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9628 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9629 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14.9630 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0431 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.041 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.042 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.043 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.044 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.045 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.046 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.047 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.048 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.049 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.2510 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.2511 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.2512 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.2513 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.2514 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.2515 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.2516 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.2517 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0418 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0419 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0420 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0421 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0422 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0423 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0424 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0425 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0426 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0427 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0428 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0429 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0430 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.0431 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.041 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.042 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.043 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.044 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.045 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.046 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.047 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.048 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.049 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0410 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0411 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0412 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0413 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0414 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0415 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0416 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0417 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0418 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0419 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0420 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0421 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0422 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0423 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0424 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0425 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0426 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0427 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0428 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0429 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.0430 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15.041 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.042 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.043 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.044 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.045 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.046 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.047 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.048 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.049 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0410 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0411 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0412 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0413 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0414 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0415 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0416 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0417 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0418 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0419 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.0425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15.04
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£23215 Apr 2026PSA 10£23216 Apr 2026PSA 10£23217 Apr 2026PSA 10£23218 Apr 2026PSA 10£23219 Apr 2026PSA 10£23220 Apr 2026PSA 10£23221 Apr 2026PSA 10£23222 Apr 2026PSA 10£23323 Apr 2026PSA 10£23324 Apr 2026PSA 10£23325 Apr 2026PSA 10£23326 Apr 2026PSA 10£23327 Apr 2026PSA 10£23328 Apr 2026PSA 10£23329 Apr 2026PSA 10£23330 Apr 2026PSA 10£2331 May 2026PSA 10£2492 May 2026PSA 10£2493 May 2026PSA 10£2494 May 2026PSA 10£2495 May 2026PSA 10£2496 May 2026PSA 10£2497 May 2026PSA 10£2498 May 2026PSA 10£2499 May 2026PSA 10£24910 May 2026PSA 10£24911 May 2026PSA 10£28612 May 2026PSA 10£28613 May 2026PSA 10£28614 May 2026PSA 10£28615 May 2026PSA 10£28616 May 2026PSA 10£28617 May 2026PSA 10£28618 May 2026PSA 10£28619 May 2026PSA 10£28620 May 2026PSA 10£28621 May 2026PSA 10£32022 May 2026PSA 10£32023 May 2026PSA 10£32024 May 2026PSA 10£32025 May 2026PSA 10£32026 May 2026PSA 10£32027 May 2026PSA 10£32028 May 2026PSA 10£32029 May 2026PSA 10£32030 May 2026PSA 10£32031 May 2026PSA 10£3341 Jun 2026PSA 10£3342 Jun 2026PSA 10£3343 Jun 2026PSA 10£3344 Jun 2026PSA 10£3345 Jun 2026PSA 10£3346 Jun 2026PSA 10£3347 Jun 2026PSA 10£3348 Jun 2026PSA 10£3349 Jun 2026PSA 10£33410 Jun 2026PSA 10£32311 Jun 2026PSA 10£32312 Jun 2026PSA 10£32313 Jun 2026PSA 10£32314 Jun 2026PSA 10£32315 Jun 2026PSA 10£32316 Jun 2026PSA 10£32317 Jun 2026PSA 10£32318 Jun 2026PSA 10£32319 Jun 2026PSA 10£32320 Jun 2026PSA 10£32321 Jun 2026PSA 10£32322 Jun 2026PSA 10£32323 Jun 2026PSA 10£32324 Jun 2026PSA 10£32325 Jun 2026PSA 10£32326 Jun 2026PSA 10£32327 Jun 2026PSA 10£32328 Jun 2026PSA 10£32329 Jun 2026PSA 10£32330 Jun 2026PSA 10£3251 Jul 2026PSA 10£3252 Jul 2026PSA 10£3253 Jul 2026PSA 10£3254 Jul 2026PSA 10£3255 Jul 2026PSA 10£3256 Jul 2026PSA 10£3257 Jul 2026PSA 10£3258 Jul 2026PSA 10£3259 Jul 2026PSA 10£32510 Jul 2026PSA 10£32611 Jul 2026PSA 10£32612 Jul 2026PSA 10£32613 Jul 2026PSA 10£32614 Jul 2026PSA 10£32615 Jul 2026PSA 10£32616 Jul 2026PSA 10£32617 Jul 2026PSA 10£32618 Jul 2026PSA 10£32619 Jul 2026PSA 10£32620 Jul 2026PSA 10£34721 Jul 2026PSA 10£34722 Jul 2026PSA 10£34723 Jul 2026PSA 10£34724 Jul 2026PSA 10£34725 Jul 2026PSA 10£34726 Jul 2026PSA 10£34727 Jul 2026PSA 10£34728 Jul 2026PSA 10£34729 Jul 2026PSA 10£34730 Jul 2026PSA 10£41331 Jul 2026PSA 10£4131 Aug 2026PSA 10£4132 Aug 2026PSA 10£4133 Aug 2026PSA 10£4134 Aug 2026PSA 10£413PSA 9£70.59CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5375 Aug 2026PSA 10£413PSA 9£70.59CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5376 Aug 2026PSA 10£413PSA 9£70.59CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5377 Aug 2026PSA 10£413PSA 9£70.59CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5378 Aug 2026PSA 10£413PSA 9£70.59CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5379 Aug 2026PSA 10£416PSA 9£69.88CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54110 Aug 2026PSA 10£416PSA 9£69.88CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54111 Aug 2026PSA 10£416PSA 9£69.88CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54112 Aug 2026PSA 10£416PSA 9£69.88CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54113 Aug 2026PSA 10£416PSA 9£69.88CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54114 Aug 2026PSA 10£416PSA 9£69.88CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54115 Aug 2026PSA 10£416PSA 9£69.88CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54116 Aug 2026PSA 10£416PSA 9£69.88CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54117 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51518 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51519 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51520 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51521 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51522 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51523 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51524 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51525 Aug 2026PSA 10£396PSA 9£69.24CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£51526 Aug 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54327 Aug 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54328 Aug 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54329 Aug 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54330 Aug 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54331 Aug 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5431 Sept 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5432 Sept 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5433 Sept 2026PSA 10£418PSA 9£68.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5434 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5445 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5446 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5447 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5448 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5449 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54410 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54411 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54412 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54413 Sept 2026PSA 10£419PSA 9£64.02CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54414 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54615 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54616 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54617 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54618 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54619 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54620 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54621 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54622 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54623 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54624 Sept 2026PSA 10£420PSA 9£62.30CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54625 Sept 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54726 Sept 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54727 Sept 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54728 Sept 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54729 Sept 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54730 Sept 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5471 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5472 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5473 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5474 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5475 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5476 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5477 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5478 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£5479 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54710 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54711 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54712 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54713 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54714 Oct 2026PSA 10£421PSA 9£61.39CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£54715 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55016 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55017 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55018 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55019 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55020 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55021 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55022 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55023 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55024 Oct 2026PSA 10£423PSA 9£30.10CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£55025 Oct 2026PSA 10£424PSA 9£56.26CGC 10£94.07BGS 10£552
£200£400
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.
