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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 11.8× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£7.38
Grade 9£18.47
Grade 9.5£29.56
PSA 10£87.12
BGS 10£113
CGC 10£48.04
A PSA 10 sells for 11.8× the raw card — a gap of £79.74. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£8.37
30-day low£7.04
Tracked high£8.37
Days tracked140
IllustratorKen Sugimori
Price history
115 readings · 140d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
22 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.8823 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.8824 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.8825 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.78PriceCharting£8.3726 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.78PriceCharting£8.3727 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.63PriceCharting£8.3728 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.63PriceCharting£8.3729 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£8.3730 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.3831 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.381 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.38
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HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
30 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.8831 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.881 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.882 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.373 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.044 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.045 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.046 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.047 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.048 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.049 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0413 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0414 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0415 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0416 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.7017 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.7018 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.7019 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3720 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3721 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3722 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3723 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3724 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3725 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.78PriceCharting£8.3726 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.78PriceCharting£8.3727 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.63PriceCharting£8.3728 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.63PriceCharting£8.3729 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£8.3730 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.3831 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.381 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.38
£10.00£20.00
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HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0415 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0116 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0117 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0118 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0119 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0120 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0121 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0122 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.1723 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.1724 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.1725 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.1726 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.1727 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.7228 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.7229 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.7230 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.721 May 2026PriceCharting£5.722 May 2026PriceCharting£5.723 May 2026PriceCharting£5.724 May 2026PriceCharting£5.175 May 2026PriceCharting£5.176 May 2026PriceCharting£5.177 May 2026PriceCharting£5.178 May 2026PriceCharting£5.179 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1710 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1711 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.7312 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.7313 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.8014 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.8015 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.8016 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.8017 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.2818 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.2819 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.2820 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.2821 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.2822 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9423 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9424 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9425 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9426 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9427 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9428 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9429 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9430 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£4.9431 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.171 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.172 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.173 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.174 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.645 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.646 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.827 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.828 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.829 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.1310 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.1311 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.1312 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.2713 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.2714 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£6.2715 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.3216 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.3217 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.3218 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.4219 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.4220 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.4221 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.00PriceCharting£5.4222 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.09PriceCharting£6.2923 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.09PriceCharting£6.2924 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.09PriceCharting£6.2925 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.09PriceCharting£6.2826 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.17PriceCharting£6.2827 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.17PriceCharting£6.2828 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.17PriceCharting£6.2829 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.17PriceCharting£6.6330 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.17PriceCharting£6.631 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.17PriceCharting£6.632 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.17PriceCharting£7.323 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.17PriceCharting£7.324 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.95PriceCharting£7.325 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.95PriceCharting£6.646 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.95PriceCharting£6.647 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.95PriceCharting£6.648 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.95PriceCharting£5.919 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.95PriceCharting£5.9110 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£5.9111 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£5.9112 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.2613 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.2614 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£5.7315 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£5.7316 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£5.7317 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.2818 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.2819 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.2820 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.2821 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.7522 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.7523 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£6.7524 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£7.3725 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£7.3726 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£7.3727 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.89PriceCharting£7.3728 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.3729 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.3730 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.3731 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.371 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.372 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.373 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.044 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.045 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.046 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.047 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.048 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.049 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0413 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0414 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0415 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.0416 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.7017 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.7018 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£7.7019 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3720 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3721 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3722 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3723 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3724 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£26.88PriceCharting£8.3725 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.78PriceCharting£8.3726 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.78PriceCharting£8.3727 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.63PriceCharting£8.3728 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.63PriceCharting£8.3729 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£8.3730 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.3831 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.381 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£8.96PriceCharting£7.38
£20.00
14 Apr25 May4 Jul1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £87.12
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£12615 Apr 2026PSA 10£12516 Apr 2026PSA 10£12517 Apr 2026PSA 10£12518 Apr 2026PSA 10£12519 Apr 2026PSA 10£12520 Apr 2026PSA 10£12521 Apr 2026PSA 10£12522 Apr 2026PSA 10£12523 Apr 2026PSA 10£12524 Apr 2026PSA 10£12525 Apr 2026PSA 10£12526 Apr 2026PSA 10£12527 Apr 2026PSA 10£12528 Apr 2026PSA 10£12529 Apr 2026PSA 10£12530 Apr 2026PSA 10£1251 May 2026PSA 10£1252 May 2026PSA 10£1253 May 2026PSA 10£1254 May 2026PSA 10£1245 May 2026PSA 10£1246 May 2026PSA 10£1247 May 2026PSA 10£1248 May 2026PSA 10£1249 May 2026PSA 10£12410 May 2026PSA 10£12411 May 2026PSA 10£12412 May 2026PSA 10£12413 May 2026PSA 10£12414 May 2026PSA 10£12415 May 2026PSA 10£12416 May 2026PSA 10£12417 May 2026PSA 10£12418 May 2026PSA 10£12419 May 2026PSA 10£12420 May 2026PSA 10£12421 May 2026PSA 10£12422 May 2026PSA 10£12323 May 2026PSA 10£12324 May 2026PSA 10£12325 May 2026PSA 10£12326 May 2026PSA 10£10727 May 2026PSA 10£10728 May 2026PSA 10£10729 May 2026PSA 10£10730 May 2026PSA 10£10731 May 2026PSA 10£99.141 Jun 2026PSA 10£99.142 Jun 2026PSA 10£99.143 Jun 2026PSA 10£99.144 Jun 2026PSA 10£95.065 Jun 2026PSA 10£95.066 Jun 2026PSA 10£92.957 Jun 2026PSA 10£92.958 Jun 2026PSA 10£92.959 Jun 2026PSA 10£91.8110 Jun 2026PSA 10£91.8111 Jun 2026PSA 10£91.8112 Jun 2026PSA 10£91.1713 Jun 2026PSA 10£91.1714 Jun 2026PSA 10£91.1715 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.7716 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.7717 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.7718 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.5019 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.5020 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.5021 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.5022 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.2623 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.2624 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.2625 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.0726 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.0727 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.0728 Jun 2026PSA 10£90.0729 Jun 2026PSA 10£89.9030 Jun 2026PSA 10£89.901 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.902 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.723 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.724 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.725 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.566 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.567 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.568 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.419 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.4110 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.4111 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.4112 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.2713 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.2714 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.1315 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.1316 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.1317 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.0018 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.0019 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.0020 Jul 2026PSA 10£89.0021 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.8422 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.8423 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.8424 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.6925 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.6926 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.6927 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.6928 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.6929 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.5130 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.5131 Jul 2026PSA 10£88.511 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.512 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.513 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.324 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.32Grade 9.5£34.00Grade 9£31.00BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.045 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.32Grade 9.5£34.00Grade 9£31.00BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.046 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.16Grade 9.5£34.00Grade 9£30.65BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.047 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.16Grade 9.5£34.00Grade 9£30.65BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.048 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.16Grade 9.5£34.00Grade 9£30.65BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.049 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.16Grade 9.5£34.00Grade 9£30.65BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.0410 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.16Grade 9.5£34.00Grade 9£30.65BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.0411 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.00Grade 9.5£33.26Grade 9£30.48BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.0412 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.00Grade 9.5£33.26Grade 9£30.48BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.0413 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.00Grade 9.5£33.26Grade 9£30.48BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.0414 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.00Grade 9.5£33.26Grade 9£30.48BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.0415 Aug 2026PSA 10£88.00Grade 9.5£33.26Grade 9£30.48BGS 10£115CGC 10£48.0416 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.79Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£19.14BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0417 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.79Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£19.14BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0418 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.79Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£19.14BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0419 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.64Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.81BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0420 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.64Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.81BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0421 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.64Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.81BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0422 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.64Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.81BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0423 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.64Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.81BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0424 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.48Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0425 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.48Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0426 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.48Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0427 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.48Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0428 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.48Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0429 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.48Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0430 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.28Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.0431 Aug 2026PSA 10£87.28Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£114CGC 10£48.041 Sept 2026PSA 10£87.12Grade 9.5£29.56Grade 9£18.47BGS 10£113CGC 10£48.04
£50.00£100
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
25 Aug 2026New listings/day126 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day128 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day230 Aug 2026New listings/day031 Aug 2026New listings/day0
012
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New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Building
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
4 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.