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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 10.8× raw
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£19.97
Grade 9£77.71
Grade 9.5£85.68
PSA 10£215
BGS 10£279
CGC 10£34.71
A PSA 10 sells for 10.8× the raw card — a gap of £195. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£20.70
30-day low£14.77
Tracked high£20.70
Days tracked139
IllustratorShin-ichi Yoshikawa
Pokédex3
Price history
117 readings · 139d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
20 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.8621 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.8622 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.8623 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.8624 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£18.3125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£20.0026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0031 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£19.97
£15.00£17.50£20.00
24 Aug25 Aug28 Aug31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.3229 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.3230 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.3231 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.662 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£20.703 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£20.704 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£17.275 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£17.276 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£17.277 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£18.498 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£18.499 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£18.4910 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£18.4911 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£19.2012 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£19.2013 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£16.5214 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£16.5215 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£16.5216 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£14.7717 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.91PriceCharting£14.7718 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£14.7719 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£15.3220 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£15.3221 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£15.3222 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£15.3223 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£18.3124 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£18.3125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£20.0026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0031 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£19.97
£15.00£17.50£20.00
1 Aug4 Aug19 Aug31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7615 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7416 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7417 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7418 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7619 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7620 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7621 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7622 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7623 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7624 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7625 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.9626 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.9627 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.6528 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.6529 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.6530 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.771 May 2026PriceCharting£15.772 May 2026PriceCharting£15.773 May 2026PriceCharting£15.774 May 2026PriceCharting£16.335 May 2026PriceCharting£16.336 May 2026PriceCharting£16.337 May 2026PriceCharting£16.228 May 2026PriceCharting£16.229 May 2026PriceCharting£16.2210 May 2026PriceCharting£17.7311 May 2026PriceCharting£17.7312 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.7713 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.7714 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.7715 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.7716 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.3317 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.3318 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.3319 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£15.8820 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£15.8821 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£15.8822 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£15.8823 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£15.8824 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£15.8825 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.3326 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.3327 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.3328 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.3329 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£17.98PriceCharting£16.3330 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.82PriceCharting£15.8931 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.82PriceCharting£15.891 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.82PriceCharting£15.892 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.82PriceCharting£15.893 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£40.96PriceCharting£15.894 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£40.96PriceCharting£15.895 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£57.48PriceCharting£15.896 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£57.48PriceCharting£16.237 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.59PriceCharting£16.238 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.94PriceCharting£17.799 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.94PriceCharting£17.7910 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£18.94PriceCharting£17.7911 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£17.7912 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£17.7913 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£17.7914 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£17.7915 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.5016 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.5017 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7718 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7719 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7720 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7721 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7722 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7723 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7724 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£19.6925 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£19.6926 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7727 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7728 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£16.7729 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£16.7730 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£16.771 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£16.772 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£16.773 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£16.774 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£16.775 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£16.776 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£18.557 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.558 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.949 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.9410 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.9411 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.9412 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.6913 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.6914 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.6915 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.6916 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£42.90PriceCharting£18.6917 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.00PriceCharting£18.6918 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.00PriceCharting£19.1719 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.00PriceCharting£19.1720 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.00PriceCharting£19.1721 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.00PriceCharting£19.1722 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.1723 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.1724 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.7625 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.7626 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.7627 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.7628 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.6629 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.6630 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.6631 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.661 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£19.662 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£20.703 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£20.704 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£17.275 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£17.276 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£17.277 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£18.498 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.32PriceCharting£18.499 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£18.4910 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£18.4911 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£19.2012 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£19.2013 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£16.5214 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£16.5215 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£16.5216 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.04PriceCharting£14.7717 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£20.91PriceCharting£14.7718 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£14.7719 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£15.3220 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£15.3221 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£15.3222 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£15.3223 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£18.3124 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£18.3125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£14.86PriceCharting£20.0026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£20.0031 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£21.28PriceCharting£19.97
£20.00£40.00
14 Apr26 May5 Jul31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £215
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£11515 Apr 2026PSA 10£11516 Apr 2026PSA 10£11517 Apr 2026PSA 10£11518 Apr 2026PSA 10£11519 Apr 2026PSA 10£11520 Apr 2026PSA 10£11521 Apr 2026PSA 10£11522 Apr 2026PSA 10£11523 Apr 2026PSA 10£11524 Apr 2026PSA 10£11525 Apr 2026PSA 10£11526 Apr 2026PSA 10£11527 Apr 2026PSA 10£11528 Apr 2026PSA 10£11529 Apr 2026PSA 10£11530 Apr 2026PSA 10£1151 May 2026PSA 10£1152 May 2026PSA 10£1153 May 2026PSA 10£1154 May 2026PSA 10£1155 May 2026PSA 10£1156 May 2026PSA 10£1157 May 2026PSA 10£1158 May 2026PSA 10£1159 May 2026PSA 10£11510 May 2026PSA 10£11511 May 2026PSA 10£11512 May 2026PSA 10£12213 May 2026PSA 10£12214 May 2026PSA 10£12215 May 2026PSA 10£12216 May 2026PSA 10£14717 May 2026PSA 10£14718 May 2026PSA 10£14719 May 2026PSA 10£15020 May 2026PSA 10£15021 May 2026PSA 10£15022 May 2026PSA 10£15023 May 2026PSA 10£15024 May 2026PSA 10£15025 May 2026PSA 10£15026 May 2026PSA 10£15027 May 2026PSA 10£15028 May 2026PSA 10£15029 May 2026PSA 10£15030 May 2026PSA 10£15031 May 2026PSA 10£1501 Jun 2026PSA 10£1502 Jun 2026PSA 10£1503 Jun 2026PSA 10£1504 Jun 2026PSA 10£1505 Jun 2026PSA 10£1506 Jun 2026PSA 10£1507 Jun 2026PSA 10£1508 Jun 2026PSA 10£1509 Jun 2026PSA 10£15010 Jun 2026PSA 10£15011 Jun 2026PSA 10£15012 Jun 2026PSA 10£15513 Jun 2026PSA 10£15514 Jun 2026PSA 10£15515 Jun 2026PSA 10£17416 Jun 2026PSA 10£17417 Jun 2026PSA 10£17418 Jun 2026PSA 10£17419 Jun 2026PSA 10£17420 Jun 2026PSA 10£17421 Jun 2026PSA 10£17422 Jun 2026PSA 10£17423 Jun 2026PSA 10£17424 Jun 2026PSA 10£17425 Jun 2026PSA 10£17426 Jun 2026PSA 10£17427 Jun 2026PSA 10£17428 Jun 2026PSA 10£17429 Jun 2026PSA 10£17430 Jun 2026PSA 10£1741 Jul 2026PSA 10£1742 Jul 2026PSA 10£1743 Jul 2026PSA 10£1744 Jul 2026PSA 10£1745 Jul 2026PSA 10£1746 Jul 2026PSA 10£1747 Jul 2026PSA 10£1748 Jul 2026PSA 10£1749 Jul 2026PSA 10£17410 Jul 2026PSA 10£17411 Jul 2026PSA 10£17412 Jul 2026PSA 10£17413 Jul 2026PSA 10£17414 Jul 2026PSA 10£17415 Jul 2026PSA 10£17416 Jul 2026PSA 10£17417 Jul 2026PSA 10£17418 Jul 2026PSA 10£17419 Jul 2026PSA 10£17420 Jul 2026PSA 10£17421 Jul 2026PSA 10£17422 Jul 2026PSA 10£17423 Jul 2026PSA 10£17424 Jul 2026PSA 10£17425 Jul 2026PSA 10£17426 Jul 2026PSA 10£17427 Jul 2026PSA 10£17428 Jul 2026PSA 10£17429 Jul 2026PSA 10£17430 Jul 2026PSA 10£17431 Jul 2026PSA 10£1741 Aug 2026PSA 10£1742 Aug 2026PSA 10£1743 Aug 2026PSA 10£1744 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.715 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.716 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.717 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.718 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.719 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7110 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7111 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7112 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7113 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7114 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7115 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7116 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7117 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7118 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£74.60Grade 9£67.76BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7119 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7120 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7121 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7122 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7123 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7124 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7125 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7126 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7127 Aug 2026PSA 10£174Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£226CGC 10£34.7128 Aug 2026PSA 10£215Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£279CGC 10£34.7129 Aug 2026PSA 10£215Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£279CGC 10£34.7130 Aug 2026PSA 10£215Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£279CGC 10£34.7131 Aug 2026PSA 10£215Grade 9.5£85.68Grade 9£77.71BGS 10£279CGC 10£34.71
£100£200
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
9 Aug 2026New listings/day110 Aug 2026New listings/day011 Aug 2026New listings/day012 Aug 2026New listings/day013 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day118 Aug 2026New listings/day119 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day228 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day0
012
9 Aug16 Aug23 Aug30 Aug
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Auctions that closed with a winning bid. A sale we watched happen, not a listing that
disappeared for unknown reasons.
26 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day0
-101
UK auctions that closed with a winning bid each day. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
2 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.