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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£0.53
PSA 10£25.05
PSA 9£9.00
CGC 10£9.75
BGS 10£32.26
At a glance
30-day high£0.53
30-day low£0.48
Tracked high£0.67
Days tracked192
IllustratorKen Sugimori
Price history
116 readings · 192d
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.53+10.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
16 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4817 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4818 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4819 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4820 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4821 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.53
£0.48£0.50£0.52
16 Oct16 Oct16 Oct23 Oct23 Oct23 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.53+10.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4825 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4826 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4827 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4828 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4829 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4830 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.481 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.482 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.493 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.494 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.495 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.496 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.497 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.498 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.499 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4910 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4912 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4913 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4914 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4915 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4816 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4817 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4818 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4819 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4820 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4821 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.53
£0.48£0.50£0.52
23 Sept2 Oct2 Oct15 Oct15 Oct23 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.53+20.5%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.4415 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.4416 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5617 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5618 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5619 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5620 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5621 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5622 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5623 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5624 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.5625 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.4826 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.4827 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.4828 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.4829 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.4830 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.481 May 2026PriceCharting£0.482 May 2026PriceCharting£0.483 May 2026PriceCharting£0.484 May 2026PriceCharting£0.485 May 2026PriceCharting£0.446 May 2026PriceCharting£0.447 May 2026PriceCharting£0.448 May 2026PriceCharting£0.449 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4410 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4411 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4412 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4413 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4414 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4415 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4416 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4417 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4418 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4419 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4420 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4421 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4422 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4423 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4424 May 2026PriceCharting£0.4425 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5726 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5727 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5728 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5729 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5730 May 2026PriceCharting£0.5731 May 2026PriceCharting£0.571 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.572 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.573 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.574 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.575 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.576 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.577 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.578 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.579 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5710 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5711 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5712 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5713 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5714 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5615 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5616 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5617 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5618 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5619 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5620 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5621 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5622 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5623 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5624 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5625 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5626 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5627 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5628 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5629 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.5630 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.561 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.562 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.563 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.564 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.675 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.676 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.677 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.678 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.679 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6710 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6711 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6712 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6713 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6714 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6015 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6016 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6017 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6018 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6019 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6020 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6021 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6022 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6023 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.6024 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5925 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5926 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5927 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5928 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5929 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5930 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.5931 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.591 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.592 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.593 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.654 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.655 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.656 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.657 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.658 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.659 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.6510 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.6511 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.6512 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.6513 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5614 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5615 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5616 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5617 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5618 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5619 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5620 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5621 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.5622 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4623 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4624 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4625 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4626 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4627 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4628 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4629 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4630 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.4631 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.461 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.462 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.463 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.564 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.565 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.566 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.567 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.568 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.569 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5610 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5611 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5612 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5613 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5614 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5615 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5616 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5617 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5618 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5619 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5620 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5621 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.5622 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4823 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4825 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4826 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4827 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4828 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4829 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4830 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.481 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.482 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.493 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.494 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.495 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.496 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.497 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.498 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.499 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4910 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4912 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4913 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4914 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4915 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4816 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4817 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4818 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4819 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4820 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4821 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.53
£0.50£0.60
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
5 May 2026PSA 10£24.916 May 2026PSA 10£24.917 May 2026PSA 10£24.918 May 2026PSA 10£24.919 May 2026PSA 10£24.9110 May 2026PSA 10£24.9111 May 2026PSA 10£24.9112 May 2026PSA 10£24.9113 May 2026PSA 10£24.9114 May 2026PSA 10£24.9115 May 2026PSA 10£24.9116 May 2026PSA 10£24.7317 May 2026PSA 10£24.7318 May 2026PSA 10£24.7319 May 2026PSA 10£24.7320 May 2026PSA 10£24.7321 May 2026PSA 10£24.7322 May 2026PSA 10£24.7323 May 2026PSA 10£24.7324 May 2026PSA 10£24.7325 May 2026PSA 10£24.7326 May 2026PSA 10£24.7327 May 2026PSA 10£24.7328 May 2026PSA 10£24.7329 May 2026PSA 10£24.7330 May 2026PSA 10£24.7331 May 2026PSA 10£24.731 Jun 2026PSA 10£24.732 Jun 2026PSA 10£24.733 Jun 2026PSA 10£24.734 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.395 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.396 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.397 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.398 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.399 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3910 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3911 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3912 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3913 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3914 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4015 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4016 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4017 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4018 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4019 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4020 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4021 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4022 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4023 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.4024 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3825 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3826 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3827 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3828 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3829 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.3830 Jun 2026PSA 10£25.381 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.382 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.383 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.384 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.385 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.386 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.387 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.388 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.389 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.3810 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.3811 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.3812 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.3813 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.3814 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9315 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9316 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9317 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9318 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9319 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9320 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9321 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9322 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9323 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.9324 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.5925 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.5926 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.5927 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.5928 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.5929 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.5930 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.5931 Jul 2026PSA 10£25.591 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.592 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.593 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.564 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.015 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.016 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.017 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.018 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.019 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0110 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0111 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0112 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.56PSA 9£9.31CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0113 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7614 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7615 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7616 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7617 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7618 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7619 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7620 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7621 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.85PSA 9£9.48CGC 10£15.76BGS 10£33.7622 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0123 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0124 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0125 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0126 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0127 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0128 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0129 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0130 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0131 Aug 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.011 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.012 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.43PSA 9£9.23CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.013 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.264 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.265 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.266 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.267 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.268 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.269 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2610 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2611 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.89PSA 9£8.91CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2612 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0113 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0114 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0115 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0116 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0117 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0118 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0119 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0120 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0121 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.45PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0122 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0123 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0124 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0125 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0126 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0127 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0128 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0129 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.0130 Sept 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.011 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.46PSA 9£9.24CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£33.012 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.263 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.264 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.265 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.266 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.267 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.268 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.269 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2610 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2611 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2612 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2613 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2614 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.04PSA 9£8.99CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2615 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.08PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2616 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.08PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2617 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.08PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2618 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.08PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2619 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.08PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2620 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.08PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2621 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.08PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2622 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.08PSA 9£9.02CGC 10£15.01BGS 10£32.2623 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.05PSA 9£9.00CGC 10£9.75BGS 10£32.26
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.