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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£0.31
PSA 10£24.06
PSA 9£8.43
CGC 10£9.74
BGS 10£31.47
At a glance
30-day high£0.49
30-day low£0.30
Tracked high£0.49
Days tracked192
IllustratorKen Sugimori
Pokédex664
Price history
116 readings · 192d
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.31+3.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
16 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3017 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3018 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3019 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3020 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3021 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3022 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3023 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.31
£0.30£0.31£0.31
16 Oct16 Oct16 Oct23 Oct23 Oct23 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£0.31-11.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3524 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3525 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4926 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4927 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4928 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4929 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4930 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.491 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.492 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.493 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.494 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.495 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.496 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.497 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.498 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.499 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4910 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4912 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4913 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4914 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4915 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3016 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3017 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3018 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3019 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3020 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3021 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3022 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3023 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.31
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HoloHawk awaiting data£0.31+40.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2215 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2216 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2217 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2218 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2219 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2220 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2221 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2222 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2223 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2224 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2225 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2226 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2827 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2828 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2829 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2830 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.281 May 2026PriceCharting£0.282 May 2026PriceCharting£0.283 May 2026PriceCharting£0.284 May 2026PriceCharting£0.285 May 2026PriceCharting£0.286 May 2026PriceCharting£0.287 May 2026PriceCharting£0.288 May 2026PriceCharting£0.289 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2810 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2811 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2812 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2813 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2814 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2815 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2816 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2817 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2818 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2819 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2820 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2821 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2822 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2823 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2824 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2825 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2826 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2827 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2428 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2429 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2430 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2431 May 2026PriceCharting£0.241 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.242 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.243 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.244 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.245 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.246 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.247 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.248 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.249 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2410 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2411 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2412 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2413 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2414 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2415 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2416 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2617 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2618 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2619 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2620 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2621 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2622 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2623 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2624 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2625 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2626 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2627 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2628 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2629 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.2630 Jun 2026PriceCharting£0.261 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.262 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.263 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.264 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.265 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.266 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.267 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.268 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.269 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2610 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2611 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2612 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2613 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2614 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2615 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2616 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2817 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2818 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2819 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2820 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2821 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2822 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2823 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2824 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2825 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2826 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2627 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2628 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2629 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2630 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.2631 Jul 2026PriceCharting£0.261 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.262 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.263 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.264 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.265 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.306 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.307 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.308 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.309 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3010 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3011 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3012 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3013 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3014 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3715 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3716 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3717 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3718 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3719 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3720 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3721 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3722 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3723 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3724 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3625 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3626 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3627 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3628 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3629 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3630 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.3631 Aug 2026PriceCharting£0.361 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.362 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.363 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.364 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.365 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.366 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.367 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.368 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.369 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3610 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3611 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3612 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3513 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3514 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3515 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3516 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3517 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3518 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3519 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3520 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3521 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3522 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3523 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3524 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.3525 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4926 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4927 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4928 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4929 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.4930 Sept 2026PriceCharting£0.491 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.492 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.493 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.494 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.495 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.496 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.497 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.498 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.499 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4910 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4912 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4913 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4914 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.4915 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3016 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3017 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3018 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3019 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3020 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3021 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3022 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.3023 Oct 2026PriceCharting£0.31
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
6 May 2026PSA 10£23.867 May 2026PSA 10£23.868 May 2026PSA 10£23.869 May 2026PSA 10£23.8610 May 2026PSA 10£23.8611 May 2026PSA 10£23.8612 May 2026PSA 10£23.8613 May 2026PSA 10£23.8614 May 2026PSA 10£23.8615 May 2026PSA 10£23.8616 May 2026PSA 10£23.8717 May 2026PSA 10£23.8718 May 2026PSA 10£23.8719 May 2026PSA 10£23.8720 May 2026PSA 10£23.8721 May 2026PSA 10£23.8722 May 2026PSA 10£23.8723 May 2026PSA 10£23.8724 May 2026PSA 10£23.8725 May 2026PSA 10£23.8726 May 2026PSA 10£23.8727 May 2026PSA 10£23.8728 May 2026PSA 10£23.8729 May 2026PSA 10£23.8730 May 2026PSA 10£23.8731 May 2026PSA 10£23.871 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.872 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.873 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.874 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.875 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.876 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.697 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.698 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.699 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6910 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6911 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6912 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6913 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6914 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6915 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6916 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6917 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6918 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6919 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6920 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6921 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6922 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6923 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6924 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6925 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.6926 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.8127 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.8128 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.8129 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.8130 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.811 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.812 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.813 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.814 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.815 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.816 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.827 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.828 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.829 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8210 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8211 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8212 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8213 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8214 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8215 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8216 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8217 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8218 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8219 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8220 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8221 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8222 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8223 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8224 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8225 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.8226 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.9027 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.9028 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.9029 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.9030 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.9031 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.901 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.902 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.903 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.904 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.90PSA 9£8.34CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.725 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.726 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.727 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.728 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.729 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.7210 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.7211 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.7212 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.7213 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.83PSA 9£8.29CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£30.7214 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4715 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4716 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4717 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4718 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4719 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4720 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4721 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4722 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4723 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.03PSA 9£8.41CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4724 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4725 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4726 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4727 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4728 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4729 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4730 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4731 Aug 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.471 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.472 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.38PSA 9£8.62CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.473 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.474 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.475 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.476 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.477 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.478 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.479 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4710 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4711 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.35PSA 9£8.59CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4712 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4713 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4714 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4715 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4716 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4717 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4718 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4719 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4720 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4721 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4722 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4723 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4724 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.36PSA 9£8.60CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£31.4725 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4726 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4727 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4728 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4729 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4730 Sept 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.471 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.472 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.473 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.474 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.475 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.476 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.477 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.478 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.479 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4710 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4711 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4712 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4713 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4714 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.33PSA 9£8.58CGC 10£14.23BGS 10£31.4715 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.13PSA 9£9.05CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£32.9616 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.13PSA 9£9.05CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£32.9617 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.13PSA 9£9.05CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£32.9618 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.13PSA 9£9.05CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£32.9619 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.13PSA 9£9.05CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£32.9620 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.13PSA 9£9.05CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£32.9621 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.13PSA 9£9.05CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£32.9622 Oct 2026PSA 10£25.13PSA 9£9.05CGC 10£14.98BGS 10£32.9623 Oct 2026PSA 10£24.06PSA 9£8.43CGC 10£9.74BGS 10£31.47
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.