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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 12.6× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£11.68
Grade 9£28.45
Grade 9.5£31.12
PSA 10£147
BGS 10£191
CGC 10£74.09
A PSA 10 sells for 12.6× the raw card — a gap of £135. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£25.77
30-day low£17.40
Tracked high£26.55
Days tracked142
IllustratorKen Sugimori
Pokédex24
Price history
113 readings · 142d
£17.85+2.6%HoloHawk£11.68-0.6%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
15 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.4016 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.4017 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.4018 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.6319 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.6320 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.6321 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.6322 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.8527 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7528 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6929 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6930 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6931 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.691 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.692 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.693 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.68
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£17.85-30.7%HoloHawk£11.68-7.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.7724 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.7725 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.7726 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.6327 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.6328 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.6329 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.6330 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.6331 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.631 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.632 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.403 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.404 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.355 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.356 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.357 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.358 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.359 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.3510 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.3511 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2612 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2613 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2614 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2615 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2616 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.7517 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.7518 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£11.7519 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£11.7520 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£11.7521 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£11.7522 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7523 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7524 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7525 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7526 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7527 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7528 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6929 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6930 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6931 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.691 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.692 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.693 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.68
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4 Aug4 Aug11 Aug23 Aug28 Aug3 Sept
£17.85+70.0%HoloHawk£11.68+5.1%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
13 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.5014 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.1115 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.1116 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.6117 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.6118 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.6119 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.6120 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.6121 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.6122 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£8.8823 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£8.8824 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£8.8825 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£8.8826 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£8.8827 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.2128 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.2129 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.2130 Apr 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.211 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.212 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.513 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.514 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.515 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.516 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.517 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.518 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.519 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.5110 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.0811 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.0812 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.0813 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.0814 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.5715 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.5716 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9417 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9418 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9419 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9420 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9421 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9422 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9423 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9424 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9425 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£9.9426 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.0927 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.0928 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.0929 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.0930 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.0931 May 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.091 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£10.092 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.283 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.284 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.285 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.286 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.607 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.608 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.609 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.7710 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.7711 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.7712 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.5913 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.5914 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.5915 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.5916 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.5917 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£12.5918 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.1119 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.1120 Jun 2026HoloHawk£10.50PriceCharting£11.1121 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£11.1122 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£11.1123 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£11.1124 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£11.1125 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£11.1126 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£11.8327 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£11.8328 Jun 2026HoloHawk£15.61PriceCharting£11.8329 Jun 2026HoloHawk£15.61PriceCharting£11.8330 Jun 2026HoloHawk£15.61PriceCharting£11.831 Jul 2026HoloHawk£12.39PriceCharting£12.232 Jul 2026HoloHawk£12.39PriceCharting£12.233 Jul 2026HoloHawk£12.39PriceCharting£12.234 Jul 2026HoloHawk£12.39PriceCharting£12.235 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.236 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.237 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.238 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.239 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.2310 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.2311 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.2312 Jul 2026HoloHawk£13.63PriceCharting£11.9113 Jul 2026HoloHawk£13.63PriceCharting£11.9114 Jul 2026HoloHawk£13.63PriceCharting£11.9115 Jul 2026HoloHawk£13.63PriceCharting£11.9116 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£11.9117 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.6018 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.55PriceCharting£12.6019 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£12.6020 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£12.6021 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£12.6022 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£12.6023 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£12.6024 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£12.6325 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£12.6326 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£12.6327 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£12.6328 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£12.6329 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£12.6330 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£12.6331 Jul 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£12.621 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£12.622 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£12.623 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£12.624 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.355 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.356 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.357 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.358 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.359 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.3510 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.3511 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2612 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2613 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2614 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2615 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£10.2616 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.7517 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.40PriceCharting£11.7518 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£11.7519 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£11.7520 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£11.7521 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.63PriceCharting£11.7522 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7523 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7524 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7525 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7526 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7527 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.7528 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6929 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6930 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.6931 Aug 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.691 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.692 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.693 Sept 2026HoloHawk£17.85PriceCharting£11.68
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14 Apr7 May3 Jun25 Jun18 Jul3 Sept
Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover for any day. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£11715 Apr 2026PSA 10£11716 Apr 2026PSA 10£11717 Apr 2026PSA 10£11718 Apr 2026PSA 10£11719 Apr 2026PSA 10£11720 Apr 2026PSA 10£11721 Apr 2026PSA 10£11722 Apr 2026PSA 10£11723 Apr 2026PSA 10£11724 Apr 2026PSA 10£11725 Apr 2026PSA 10£11726 Apr 2026PSA 10£11727 Apr 2026PSA 10£11728 Apr 2026PSA 10£11729 Apr 2026PSA 10£11730 Apr 2026PSA 10£1171 May 2026PSA 10£1172 May 2026PSA 10£1173 May 2026PSA 10£1174 May 2026PSA 10£1175 May 2026PSA 10£1176 May 2026PSA 10£1177 May 2026PSA 10£1178 May 2026PSA 10£1179 May 2026PSA 10£11710 May 2026PSA 10£11711 May 2026PSA 10£11712 May 2026PSA 10£11713 May 2026PSA 10£11714 May 2026PSA 10£11415 May 2026PSA 10£11416 May 2026PSA 10£11417 May 2026PSA 10£11418 May 2026PSA 10£11419 May 2026PSA 10£11420 May 2026PSA 10£10921 May 2026PSA 10£10922 May 2026PSA 10£10923 May 2026PSA 10£10924 May 2026PSA 10£10925 May 2026PSA 10£10926 May 2026PSA 10£10927 May 2026PSA 10£10928 May 2026PSA 10£10929 May 2026PSA 10£10930 May 2026PSA 10£10931 May 2026PSA 10£1091 Jun 2026PSA 10£1092 Jun 2026PSA 10£1263 Jun 2026PSA 10£1264 Jun 2026PSA 10£1265 Jun 2026PSA 10£1266 Jun 2026PSA 10£1277 Jun 2026PSA 10£1278 Jun 2026PSA 10£1279 Jun 2026PSA 10£12710 Jun 2026PSA 10£12711 Jun 2026PSA 10£12712 Jun 2026PSA 10£12713 Jun 2026PSA 10£12714 Jun 2026PSA 10£12715 Jun 2026PSA 10£12716 Jun 2026PSA 10£12717 Jun 2026PSA 10£12718 Jun 2026PSA 10£12719 Jun 2026PSA 10£12720 Jun 2026PSA 10£12721 Jun 2026PSA 10£12722 Jun 2026PSA 10£12723 Jun 2026PSA 10£12724 Jun 2026PSA 10£12725 Jun 2026PSA 10£12726 Jun 2026PSA 10£12727 Jun 2026PSA 10£12728 Jun 2026PSA 10£12729 Jun 2026PSA 10£12730 Jun 2026PSA 10£1271 Jul 2026PSA 10£1272 Jul 2026PSA 10£1273 Jul 2026PSA 10£1274 Jul 2026PSA 10£1275 Jul 2026PSA 10£1276 Jul 2026PSA 10£1387 Jul 2026PSA 10£1388 Jul 2026PSA 10£1389 Jul 2026PSA 10£13810 Jul 2026PSA 10£13811 Jul 2026PSA 10£13812 Jul 2026PSA 10£13813 Jul 2026PSA 10£13814 Jul 2026PSA 10£13815 Jul 2026PSA 10£13816 Jul 2026PSA 10£13817 Jul 2026PSA 10£13818 Jul 2026PSA 10£13819 Jul 2026PSA 10£13820 Jul 2026PSA 10£13821 Jul 2026PSA 10£13822 Jul 2026PSA 10£13823 Jul 2026PSA 10£13824 Jul 2026PSA 10£13825 Jul 2026PSA 10£13826 Jul 2026PSA 10£13827 Jul 2026PSA 10£13828 Jul 2026PSA 10£13829 Jul 2026PSA 10£13830 Jul 2026PSA 10£13831 Jul 2026PSA 10£1371 Aug 2026PSA 10£1372 Aug 2026PSA 10£1373 Aug 2026PSA 10£1374 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£179CGC 10£23.715 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£179CGC 10£23.716 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£179CGC 10£23.717 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£179CGC 10£23.718 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£179CGC 10£23.719 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£179CGC 10£23.7110 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£179CGC 10£23.7111 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£178CGC 10£23.7112 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£178CGC 10£23.7113 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£178CGC 10£23.7114 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£178CGC 10£23.7115 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£29.64Grade 9£26.84BGS 10£178CGC 10£23.7116 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£30.38Grade 9£27.42BGS 10£178CGC 10£74.0817 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£30.38Grade 9£27.42BGS 10£178CGC 10£74.0818 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£30.38Grade 9£27.42BGS 10£178CGC 10£74.0819 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£30.38Grade 9£27.42BGS 10£178CGC 10£74.0820 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£30.38Grade 9£27.42BGS 10£178CGC 10£74.0821 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£30.38Grade 9£27.42BGS 10£178CGC 10£74.0822 Aug 2026PSA 10£137Grade 9.5£30.38Grade 9£27.42BGS 10£178CGC 10£74.0823 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.0924 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.0925 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.0926 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.0927 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.0928 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.0929 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.0930 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.0931 Aug 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.091 Sept 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.092 Sept 2026PSA 10£158Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£204CGC 10£74.093 Sept 2026PSA 10£147Grade 9.5£31.12Grade 9£28.45BGS 10£191CGC 10£74.09
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
9 Aug 2026New listings/day110 Aug 2026New listings/day011 Aug 2026New listings/day012 Aug 2026New listings/day013 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day119 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day123 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day028 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day031 Aug 2026New listings/day01 Sept 2026New listings/day02 Sept 2026New listings/day0
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9 Aug17 Aug25 Aug2 Sept
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Building
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
3 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.