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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 21.4× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£23.73
Grade 9£71.94
Grade 9.5£109
PSA 10£509
BGS 10£662
CGC 10£114
A PSA 10 sells for 21.4× the raw card — a gap of £485. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£27.39
30-day low£23.47
Tracked high£31.90
Days tracked141
IllustratorKen Sugimori
Pokédex125
Price history
118 readings · 141d
£25.86+1.1%HoloHawk£23.73+21.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
25 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.5726 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£19.4627 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£25.1728 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£25.1729 Aug 2026HoloHawk£23.47PriceCharting£25.1730 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.96PriceCharting£25.1131 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£25.111 Sept 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£25.112 Sept 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£23.73
£20.00£22.00£24.00
25 Aug27 Aug29 Aug30 Aug31 Aug1 Sept
£25.86-0.3%HoloHawk£23.73+13.8%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
2 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.933 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£22.634 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£22.635 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£22.636 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£18.547 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£18.548 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£18.549 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£18.9110 Aug 2026HoloHawk£24.88PriceCharting£18.9111 Aug 2026HoloHawk£24.88PriceCharting£18.9112 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.22PriceCharting£18.9113 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.17PriceCharting£18.9114 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.17PriceCharting£18.9115 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£18.9116 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£18.9117 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£18.9118 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£22.2519 Aug 2026HoloHawk£26.60PriceCharting£22.2520 Aug 2026HoloHawk£26.60PriceCharting£22.2521 Aug 2026HoloHawk£26.60PriceCharting£22.2522 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£19.3723 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.67PriceCharting£19.3724 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£19.3725 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£19.4626 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£19.4627 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£25.1728 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£25.1729 Aug 2026HoloHawk£23.47PriceCharting£25.1730 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.96PriceCharting£25.1131 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£25.111 Sept 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£25.112 Sept 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£23.73
£20.00£22.50£25.00
2 Aug7 Aug12 Aug19 Aug27 Aug1 Sept
£25.86+14.9%HoloHawk£23.73+8.5%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£21.8815 Apr 2026HoloHawk£22.50PriceCharting£21.8816 Apr 2026HoloHawk£22.50PriceCharting£21.8817 Apr 2026HoloHawk£22.50PriceCharting£20.8018 Apr 2026HoloHawk£22.50PriceCharting£20.8019 Apr 2026HoloHawk£11.29PriceCharting£20.1120 Apr 2026HoloHawk£11.29PriceCharting£20.1121 Apr 2026HoloHawk£11.29PriceCharting£20.1122 Apr 2026HoloHawk£27.47PriceCharting£21.7023 Apr 2026HoloHawk£27.47PriceCharting£21.7024 Apr 2026HoloHawk£25.13PriceCharting£21.7025 Apr 2026HoloHawk£25.13PriceCharting£21.7026 Apr 2026HoloHawk£25.13PriceCharting£20.3227 Apr 2026HoloHawk£25.13PriceCharting£20.3228 Apr 2026HoloHawk£25.13PriceCharting£21.3229 Apr 2026HoloHawk£25.13PriceCharting£21.3230 Apr 2026HoloHawk£25.41PriceCharting£21.321 May 2026HoloHawk£25.35PriceCharting£20.902 May 2026HoloHawk£25.35PriceCharting£20.903 May 2026HoloHawk£25.35PriceCharting£20.904 May 2026HoloHawk£26.22PriceCharting£20.905 May 2026HoloHawk£26.22PriceCharting£22.496 May 2026HoloHawk£26.22PriceCharting£22.497 May 2026HoloHawk£26.22PriceCharting£22.258 May 2026HoloHawk£26.22PriceCharting£22.259 May 2026HoloHawk£31.90PriceCharting£22.2510 May 2026HoloHawk£31.90PriceCharting£24.4711 May 2026HoloHawk£31.90PriceCharting£24.4712 May 2026HoloHawk£31.90PriceCharting£24.4713 May 2026HoloHawk£25.82PriceCharting£25.5914 May 2026HoloHawk£25.82PriceCharting£25.5915 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£25.5916 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£18.5417 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£18.5418 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£18.5419 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£21.7220 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£21.7221 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£21.7222 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£19.2723 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£19.2724 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£19.2725 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£25.2826 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£25.2827 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£25.2828 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£25.2829 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£25.2830 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£22.8331 May 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£22.831 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£21.552 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.99PriceCharting£21.553 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.99PriceCharting£19.224 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.99PriceCharting£19.225 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.72PriceCharting£19.226 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.72PriceCharting£19.347 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.63PriceCharting£19.348 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.63PriceCharting£19.349 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.63PriceCharting£17.1510 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£17.1511 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£17.1512 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£17.1513 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£22.4814 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£22.4815 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£19.0216 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£19.0217 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£19.0218 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.13PriceCharting£24.4719 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.24PriceCharting£24.4720 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.24PriceCharting£24.4721 Jun 2026HoloHawk£26.24PriceCharting£24.4722 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£24.4723 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£24.4724 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£21.5025 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.67PriceCharting£21.5026 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.67PriceCharting£21.5027 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.67PriceCharting£22.9928 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£22.9929 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£22.9930 Jun 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£22.991 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£23.322 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£23.323 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£23.324 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£23.945 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£23.946 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£22.727 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.77PriceCharting£22.728 Jul 2026HoloHawk£20.21PriceCharting£22.729 Jul 2026HoloHawk£20.21PriceCharting£23.2610 Jul 2026HoloHawk£28.06PriceCharting£23.2611 Jul 2026HoloHawk£28.06PriceCharting£23.2612 Jul 2026HoloHawk£28.06PriceCharting£23.2613 Jul 2026HoloHawk£28.06PriceCharting£22.6114 Jul 2026HoloHawk£27.79PriceCharting£22.6115 Jul 2026HoloHawk£27.79PriceCharting£22.6116 Jul 2026HoloHawk£21.93PriceCharting£23.6517 Jul 2026HoloHawk£21.93PriceCharting£23.6518 Jul 2026HoloHawk£21.93PriceCharting£22.6119 Jul 2026HoloHawk£27.64PriceCharting£22.6120 Jul 2026HoloHawk£27.64PriceCharting£22.6121 Jul 2026HoloHawk£27.64PriceCharting£22.6122 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.90PriceCharting£22.2423 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.90PriceCharting£22.2424 Jul 2026HoloHawk£26.90PriceCharting£22.2425 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£22.2426 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£23.4027 Jul 2026HoloHawk£25.12PriceCharting£23.4028 Jul 2026HoloHawk£28.21PriceCharting£22.2529 Jul 2026HoloHawk£28.21PriceCharting£22.2530 Jul 2026HoloHawk£28.21PriceCharting£22.2531 Jul 2026HoloHawk£28.21PriceCharting£20.851 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.93PriceCharting£20.852 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.93PriceCharting£20.853 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£22.634 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£22.635 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£22.636 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£18.547 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£18.548 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£18.549 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£18.9110 Aug 2026HoloHawk£24.88PriceCharting£18.9111 Aug 2026HoloHawk£24.88PriceCharting£18.9112 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.22PriceCharting£18.9113 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.17PriceCharting£18.9114 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.17PriceCharting£18.9115 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£18.9116 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£18.9117 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£18.9118 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£22.2519 Aug 2026HoloHawk£26.60PriceCharting£22.2520 Aug 2026HoloHawk£26.60PriceCharting£22.2521 Aug 2026HoloHawk£26.60PriceCharting£22.2522 Aug 2026HoloHawk£27.39PriceCharting£19.3723 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.67PriceCharting£19.3724 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£19.3725 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£19.4626 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.57PriceCharting£19.4627 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£25.1728 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.48PriceCharting£25.1729 Aug 2026HoloHawk£23.47PriceCharting£25.1730 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.96PriceCharting£25.1131 Aug 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£25.111 Sept 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£25.112 Sept 2026HoloHawk£25.86PriceCharting£23.73
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14 Apr8 May5 Jun28 Jun22 Jul2 Sept
Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover for any day. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£40415 Apr 2026PSA 10£40416 Apr 2026PSA 10£40417 Apr 2026PSA 10£40418 Apr 2026PSA 10£40419 Apr 2026PSA 10£40320 Apr 2026PSA 10£40321 Apr 2026PSA 10£40322 Apr 2026PSA 10£40323 Apr 2026PSA 10£40324 Apr 2026PSA 10£40325 Apr 2026PSA 10£40326 Apr 2026PSA 10£40327 Apr 2026PSA 10£40328 Apr 2026PSA 10£40329 Apr 2026PSA 10£40330 Apr 2026PSA 10£4031 May 2026PSA 10£4032 May 2026PSA 10£4033 May 2026PSA 10£4034 May 2026PSA 10£4035 May 2026PSA 10£3946 May 2026PSA 10£3947 May 2026PSA 10£3948 May 2026PSA 10£3949 May 2026PSA 10£39410 May 2026PSA 10£39411 May 2026PSA 10£39412 May 2026PSA 10£39413 May 2026PSA 10£41514 May 2026PSA 10£41515 May 2026PSA 10£41516 May 2026PSA 10£41517 May 2026PSA 10£41518 May 2026PSA 10£41519 May 2026PSA 10£41520 May 2026PSA 10£41521 May 2026PSA 10£41522 May 2026PSA 10£41523 May 2026PSA 10£41524 May 2026PSA 10£41525 May 2026PSA 10£44726 May 2026PSA 10£44727 May 2026PSA 10£44728 May 2026PSA 10£44729 May 2026PSA 10£44730 May 2026PSA 10£44631 May 2026PSA 10£4461 Jun 2026PSA 10£4452 Jun 2026PSA 10£4453 Jun 2026PSA 10£4444 Jun 2026PSA 10£4445 Jun 2026PSA 10£4446 Jun 2026PSA 10£4437 Jun 2026PSA 10£4438 Jun 2026PSA 10£4439 Jun 2026PSA 10£44210 Jun 2026PSA 10£44211 Jun 2026PSA 10£44212 Jun 2026PSA 10£44213 Jun 2026PSA 10£44214 Jun 2026PSA 10£44215 Jun 2026PSA 10£55616 Jun 2026PSA 10£55617 Jun 2026PSA 10£55618 Jun 2026PSA 10£55619 Jun 2026PSA 10£55620 Jun 2026PSA 10£55621 Jun 2026PSA 10£55622 Jun 2026PSA 10£55623 Jun 2026PSA 10£55624 Jun 2026PSA 10£55625 Jun 2026PSA 10£55626 Jun 2026PSA 10£55627 Jun 2026PSA 10£55628 Jun 2026PSA 10£55629 Jun 2026PSA 10£55630 Jun 2026PSA 10£5561 Jul 2026PSA 10£5562 Jul 2026PSA 10£5563 Jul 2026PSA 10£5564 Jul 2026PSA 10£5565 Jul 2026PSA 10£5566 Jul 2026PSA 10£5567 Jul 2026PSA 10£5568 Jul 2026PSA 10£5569 Jul 2026PSA 10£55610 Jul 2026PSA 10£55611 Jul 2026PSA 10£55612 Jul 2026PSA 10£55613 Jul 2026PSA 10£55614 Jul 2026PSA 10£55615 Jul 2026PSA 10£55616 Jul 2026PSA 10£55617 Jul 2026PSA 10£55618 Jul 2026PSA 10£55619 Jul 2026PSA 10£55620 Jul 2026PSA 10£55621 Jul 2026PSA 10£55622 Jul 2026PSA 10£55423 Jul 2026PSA 10£55424 Jul 2026PSA 10£55425 Jul 2026PSA 10£55426 Jul 2026PSA 10£55427 Jul 2026PSA 10£55428 Jul 2026PSA 10£55329 Jul 2026PSA 10£55330 Jul 2026PSA 10£55331 Jul 2026PSA 10£5231 Aug 2026PSA 10£5232 Aug 2026PSA 10£5233 Aug 2026PSA 10£5084 Aug 2026PSA 10£508Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£661CGC 10£1125 Aug 2026PSA 10£508Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£661CGC 10£1126 Aug 2026PSA 10£501Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£651CGC 10£1117 Aug 2026PSA 10£501Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£651CGC 10£1118 Aug 2026PSA 10£501Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£651CGC 10£1119 Aug 2026PSA 10£498Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£647CGC 10£11310 Aug 2026PSA 10£498Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£647CGC 10£11311 Aug 2026PSA 10£498Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£647CGC 10£11312 Aug 2026PSA 10£498Grade 9.5£89.74Grade 9£81.58BGS 10£647CGC 10£11313 Aug 2026PSA 10£496Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£645CGC 10£11614 Aug 2026PSA 10£496Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£645CGC 10£11615 Aug 2026PSA 10£494Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£642CGC 10£11616 Aug 2026PSA 10£494Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£642CGC 10£11617 Aug 2026PSA 10£494Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£642CGC 10£11618 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11619 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11620 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11621 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11622 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11623 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11624 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11625 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11626 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£81.58Grade 9£74.16BGS 10£662CGC 10£11627 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£80.10Grade 9£72.68BGS 10£662CGC 10£11628 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£80.10Grade 9£72.68BGS 10£662CGC 10£11629 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£80.10Grade 9£72.68BGS 10£662CGC 10£11630 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£80.10Grade 9£72.68BGS 10£662CGC 10£11531 Aug 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£80.10Grade 9£72.68BGS 10£662CGC 10£1151 Sept 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£80.10Grade 9£72.68BGS 10£662CGC 10£1152 Sept 2026PSA 10£509Grade 9.5£109Grade 9£71.94BGS 10£662CGC 10£114
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
2 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
3 Aug 2026New listings/day14 Aug 2026New listings/day05 Aug 2026New listings/day06 Aug 2026New listings/day07 Aug 2026New listings/day08 Aug 2026New listings/day09 Aug 2026New listings/day110 Aug 2026New listings/day011 Aug 2026New listings/day012 Aug 2026New listings/day113 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day216 Aug 2026New listings/day117 Aug 2026New listings/day218 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day220 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day125 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day228 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day130 Aug 2026New listings/day031 Aug 2026New listings/day11 Sept 2026New listings/day2
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3 Aug13 Aug22 Aug1 Sept
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Auctions that closed with a winning bid. A sale we watched happen, not a listing that
disappeared for unknown reasons.
6 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day07 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day08 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day09 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day110 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day111 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day112 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day113 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day014 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day015 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day016 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day017 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day018 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day019 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day020 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day021 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day022 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day023 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day024 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day025 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day026 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day027 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day028 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day029 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day030 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day0
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6 Aug9 Aug22 Aug30 Aug
UK auctions that closed with a winning bid each day. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Recent confirmed sales
Confirmed auction results
UK auctions that closed with a winning bid — not listings that merely disappeared.
Observed within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound on the hammer price.
Ended
Bids
Price
9 Aug
10
£34.04 or more
On sale now in the UK
6 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.