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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 5.4× raw
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£13.22
Grade 9£22.15
Grade 9.5£24.37
PSA 10£72.02
BGS 10£68.69
CGC 10£29.54
A PSA 10 sells for 5.4× the raw card — a gap of £58.80. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£15.41
30-day low£12.45
Tracked high£15.41
Days tracked137
Illustrator5ban Graphics
Pokédex724
Price history
117 readings · 137d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
22 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.6023 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14.6024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.6025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.6026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0527 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0528 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0529 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£13.2230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£13.2231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.94PriceCharting£13.22
£12.00£13.00£14.00
22 Aug23 Aug26 Aug29 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
30 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0231 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.021 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.983 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.984 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.985 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.866 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.867 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.868 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.209 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.2010 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.2011 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£12.4512 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£12.4513 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£12.4514 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£12.4515 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.0316 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.0317 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.7618 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.7619 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.7620 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.00PriceCharting£14.6021 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.00PriceCharting£14.6022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.00PriceCharting£14.6023 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.6024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.6025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.6026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0527 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0528 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0529 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£13.2230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£13.2231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.94PriceCharting£13.22
£12.00£14.00
30 Jul3 Aug15 Aug29 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.5515 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.5516 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.4717 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.4718 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12.4719 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.1120 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.1121 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.1122 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0523 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0524 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0525 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6126 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6127 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6128 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7629 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.7630 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.761 May 2026PriceCharting£14.762 May 2026PriceCharting£14.763 May 2026PriceCharting£13.904 May 2026PriceCharting£13.905 May 2026PriceCharting£13.906 May 2026PriceCharting£13.907 May 2026PriceCharting£13.808 May 2026PriceCharting£13.809 May 2026PriceCharting£13.8010 May 2026PriceCharting£13.5211 May 2026PriceCharting£13.5212 May 2026PriceCharting£13.5213 May 2026PriceCharting£14.0314 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.0315 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.0316 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.0317 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.0318 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.0319 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.2120 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.2121 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.2122 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7623 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7624 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7625 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.4226 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.4227 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.4228 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.4229 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.4230 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.4031 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.401 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.402 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.403 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.774 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.775 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.776 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.777 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.778 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.779 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7610 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7611 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7612 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7713 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7714 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7715 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7716 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7717 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7718 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.0219 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.0220 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.0221 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.1522 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.1523 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.1524 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7725 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7726 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7727 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5428 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5429 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5430 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.761 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.762 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.763 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.764 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.765 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.766 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.767 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.768 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.769 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.2810 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.2811 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.2812 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5713 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5714 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5715 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5716 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5717 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5718 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.5719 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7720 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.7721 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.8422 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.8423 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.8424 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.2725 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.2726 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.2727 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.4128 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.4129 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.4130 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.0231 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.021 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£15.022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.983 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.984 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£14.985 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.866 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.867 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.868 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.209 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.2010 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£13.2011 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£12.4512 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£12.4513 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.23PriceCharting£12.4514 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£12.4515 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.0316 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.0317 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.7618 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.7619 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.37PriceCharting£14.7620 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.00PriceCharting£14.6021 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.00PriceCharting£14.6022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.00PriceCharting£14.6023 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.6024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.6025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.6026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0527 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0528 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£14.0529 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£13.2230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£13.03PriceCharting£13.2231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£11.94PriceCharting£13.22
£12.00£14.00
14 Apr26 May5 Jul29 Aug
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £72.02
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£55.4015 Apr 2026PSA 10£55.4016 Apr 2026PSA 10£57.2417 Apr 2026PSA 10£57.2418 Apr 2026PSA 10£57.2419 Apr 2026PSA 10£57.2420 Apr 2026PSA 10£57.2421 Apr 2026PSA 10£57.2422 Apr 2026PSA 10£55.7623 Apr 2026PSA 10£55.7624 Apr 2026PSA 10£55.7625 Apr 2026PSA 10£55.9526 Apr 2026PSA 10£55.9527 Apr 2026PSA 10£55.9528 Apr 2026PSA 10£57.0929 Apr 2026PSA 10£57.0930 Apr 2026PSA 10£56.721 May 2026PSA 10£56.722 May 2026PSA 10£56.723 May 2026PSA 10£57.244 May 2026PSA 10£57.245 May 2026PSA 10£57.246 May 2026PSA 10£57.247 May 2026PSA 10£57.248 May 2026PSA 10£57.249 May 2026PSA 10£57.2410 May 2026PSA 10£60.9311 May 2026PSA 10£60.9312 May 2026PSA 10£60.9313 May 2026PSA 10£62.7814 May 2026PSA 10£62.7815 May 2026PSA 10£62.7816 May 2026PSA 10£62.7817 May 2026PSA 10£62.7818 May 2026PSA 10£62.7819 May 2026PSA 10£68.1720 May 2026PSA 10£68.1721 May 2026PSA 10£68.1722 May 2026PSA 10£73.4223 May 2026PSA 10£73.4224 May 2026PSA 10£73.4225 May 2026PSA 10£70.3426 May 2026PSA 10£70.3427 May 2026PSA 10£70.3428 May 2026PSA 10£70.3429 May 2026PSA 10£70.3430 May 2026PSA 10£70.3431 May 2026PSA 10£69.431 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.432 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.433 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.434 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.435 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.436 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.177 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.178 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.179 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1710 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1711 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1712 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.0113 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.0114 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.0115 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.0116 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.0117 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.0118 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.8019 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.8020 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.8021 Jun 2026PSA 10£65.3722 Jun 2026PSA 10£65.3723 Jun 2026PSA 10£65.3724 Jun 2026PSA 10£67.4625 Jun 2026PSA 10£67.4626 Jun 2026PSA 10£67.4627 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.7928 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.7929 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.7930 Jun 2026PSA 10£68.571 Jul 2026PSA 10£68.572 Jul 2026PSA 10£68.573 Jul 2026PSA 10£68.574 Jul 2026PSA 10£68.575 Jul 2026PSA 10£68.576 Jul 2026PSA 10£68.597 Jul 2026PSA 10£68.598 Jul 2026PSA 10£68.599 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.9410 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.9411 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.9412 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.7113 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.7114 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.7115 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.6416 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.6417 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.6418 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.6419 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.2720 Jul 2026PSA 10£71.2721 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.4722 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.4723 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.4724 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.8625 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.8626 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.8627 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.4928 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.4929 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.4930 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.0531 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.051 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.052 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.053 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.054 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.05Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.96BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.545 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.17Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.96BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.546 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.17Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.96BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.547 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.17Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.96BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.548 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.23Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.549 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.23Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5410 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.23Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5411 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.77Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5412 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.77Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5413 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.77Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5414 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.77Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5415 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5416 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5417 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5418 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5419 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.95BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5420 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5421 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5422 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5423 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5424 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5425 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5426 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5427 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5428 Aug 2026PSA 10£71.64Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.5429 Aug 2026PSA 10£72.02Grade 9.5£24.37Grade 9£22.15BGS 10£68.69CGC 10£29.54
£40.00£60.00
14 Apr26 May5 Jul29 Aug
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
14 Aug 2026New listings/day215 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day121 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day224 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day028 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day0
012
14 Aug19 Aug25 Aug30 Aug
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
4 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.