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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£0.18
Grade 9£10.34
Grade 9.5£11.08
PSA 10£23.43
BGS 10£30.28
CGC 10£14.03
At a glance
30-day high£0.30
30-day low£0.13
Tracked high£0.30
Days tracked137
Illustratoryuu
Price history
113 readings · 137d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
20 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.9921 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.9922 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3023 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.18
£0.50
20 Aug20 Aug27 Aug27 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.9929 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.9930 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1531 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.181 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.182 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.183 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.184 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.185 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.186 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.167 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.168 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.169 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1610 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1611 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1312 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1313 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1314 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1315 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1316 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1617 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1618 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1619 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1620 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1621 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3023 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.18
£0.50
30 Jul2 Aug6 Aug29 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2015 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.2016 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1517 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1518 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1519 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1520 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1521 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1522 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1523 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1524 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1225 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1226 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1227 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1228 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1229 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1230 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.111 May 2026PriceCharting£0.112 May 2026PriceCharting£0.113 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.114 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.105 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.106 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.107 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.108 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.109 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1010 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1011 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1012 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1013 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1014 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1015 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1016 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1017 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1018 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1019 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1020 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1321 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1322 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1323 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1324 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1325 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1626 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1627 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1628 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1629 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1630 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1631 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.101 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.102 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.103 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.104 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.105 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.186 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.187 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.188 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.189 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1810 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1811 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1812 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1813 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1814 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1815 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1516 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1517 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1518 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1519 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1520 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1021 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1022 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1023 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1024 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.2125 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.2126 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.2127 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.2128 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.2129 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.2130 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.181 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.182 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.183 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.184 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.185 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.186 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.107 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.108 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.109 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1010 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1011 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1212 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1213 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1214 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1215 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1216 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1217 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1218 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1419 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1420 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1421 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1422 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1423 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1424 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1525 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1526 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1527 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1528 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1529 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1530 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1531 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.181 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.182 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.183 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.184 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.185 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.186 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.167 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.168 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.169 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1610 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1611 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1312 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1313 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1314 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1315 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1316 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1617 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1618 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1619 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1620 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.1621 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3023 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.3029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£0.99PriceCharting£0.18
£0.50
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HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £23.43
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.9515 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.9516 Apr 2026PSA 10£23.0417 Apr 2026PSA 10£23.0418 Apr 2026PSA 10£23.0419 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8220 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8221 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8222 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8223 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8224 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8225 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8226 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8227 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8228 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8229 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.8230 Apr 2026PSA 10£22.681 May 2026PSA 10£22.682 May 2026PSA 10£22.683 May 2026PSA 10£22.684 May 2026PSA 10£22.655 May 2026PSA 10£22.656 May 2026PSA 10£22.657 May 2026PSA 10£22.658 May 2026PSA 10£22.659 May 2026PSA 10£22.6510 May 2026PSA 10£22.6211 May 2026PSA 10£22.6212 May 2026PSA 10£22.6213 May 2026PSA 10£22.6214 May 2026PSA 10£22.6215 May 2026PSA 10£22.6216 May 2026PSA 10£22.6217 May 2026PSA 10£22.6218 May 2026PSA 10£22.6219 May 2026PSA 10£22.6220 May 2026PSA 10£22.5821 May 2026PSA 10£22.5822 May 2026PSA 10£22.5823 May 2026PSA 10£22.5824 May 2026PSA 10£22.5825 May 2026PSA 10£22.7126 May 2026PSA 10£22.7127 May 2026PSA 10£22.7128 May 2026PSA 10£22.7129 May 2026PSA 10£22.7130 May 2026PSA 10£22.7131 May 2026PSA 10£22.841 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.842 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.843 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.844 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.845 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.626 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.627 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.628 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.629 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9710 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9711 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9712 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9713 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9714 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9715 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9716 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9717 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9718 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9719 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.9720 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.8121 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.8122 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.8123 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.8124 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.6125 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.6126 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.6127 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.6128 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.6129 Jun 2026PSA 10£22.6130 Jun 2026PSA 10£23.061 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.062 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.063 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.064 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.065 Jul 2026PSA 10£23.066 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.967 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.968 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.969 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.9610 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.9611 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.5812 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.5813 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.5814 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.5815 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.5816 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.5817 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.5818 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.6819 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.6820 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.6821 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.6822 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.6823 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.6824 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.7625 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.7626 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.7627 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.7628 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.7629 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.7630 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.7631 Jul 2026PSA 10£22.801 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.802 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.803 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.804 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.80Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.035 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.80Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.036 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.96Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.037 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.96Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.038 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.96Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.039 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.96Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0310 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.96Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0311 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0312 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0313 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0314 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0315 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0316 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.73Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£13.2917 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.73Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£13.2918 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.73Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£13.2919 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.73Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£13.2920 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.73Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£13.2921 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0322 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0323 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0324 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0325 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0326 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0327 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0328 Aug 2026PSA 10£22.86Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£29.54CGC 10£14.0329 Aug 2026PSA 10£23.43Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£10.34BGS 10£30.28CGC 10£14.03
£20.00£30.00
14 Apr23 May3 Jul29 Aug
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
18 Aug 2026New listings/day119 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day128 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day0
01
18 Aug22 Aug26 Aug30 Aug
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
2 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.