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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 225.8× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£18.75
PSA 10£4,233
PSA 9£113
CGC 10£319
BGS 10£5,503
A PSA 10 sells for 225.8× the raw card — a gap of £4,214. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£22.30
30-day low£18.75
Tracked high£22.30
Days tracked193
IllustratorMitsuhiro Arita
Pokédex36
Price history
123 readings · 193d
HoloHawk awaiting data£18.75-15.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
17 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7524 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.75
£19.00£20.00£21.00£22.00
17 Oct19 Oct19 Oct23 Oct23 Oct24 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£18.75-15.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
24 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3025 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3026 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3027 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3028 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3029 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3030 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.301 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.302 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.303 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.304 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.305 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.306 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.307 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.308 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.309 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3010 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3011 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3012 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3013 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3014 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3015 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1316 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1317 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7524 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.75
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24 Sept25 Sept28 Sept19 Oct23 Oct24 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£18.75+29.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5015 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5016 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5017 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.5018 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6319 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6320 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6321 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6322 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6323 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6324 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6325 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6326 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6327 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6328 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6329 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.6330 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.631 May 2026PriceCharting£14.632 May 2026PriceCharting£14.633 May 2026PriceCharting£14.634 May 2026PriceCharting£14.635 May 2026PriceCharting£14.636 May 2026PriceCharting£14.637 May 2026PriceCharting£14.638 May 2026PriceCharting£14.639 May 2026PriceCharting£14.6310 May 2026PriceCharting£14.6311 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9712 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9713 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9714 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9715 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9716 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9717 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9718 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9719 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9720 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9721 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9722 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9723 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9724 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9725 May 2026PriceCharting£14.4126 May 2026PriceCharting£14.4127 May 2026PriceCharting£14.4028 May 2026PriceCharting£14.4029 May 2026PriceCharting£14.4030 May 2026PriceCharting£14.4031 May 2026PriceCharting£14.401 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.402 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.403 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.404 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.405 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.406 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.407 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.408 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.409 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4010 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4011 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4012 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4013 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4014 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4015 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4016 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4017 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4018 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.4019 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.9720 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.9721 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.9722 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.9723 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.9724 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14.9725 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.0026 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.0027 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.0028 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.0029 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.0030 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.001 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.002 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.003 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.004 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.005 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.006 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.007 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.008 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.009 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0010 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0011 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0012 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0013 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0014 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0015 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0016 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0017 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0018 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.0019 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2520 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2521 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2522 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2523 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2524 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2525 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2526 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2527 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2528 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2529 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2530 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.2531 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.251 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.252 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.953 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.954 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.955 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.956 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.957 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.958 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.959 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.9510 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.9511 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.9512 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.7813 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.7814 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.7815 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.2816 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.2817 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.2818 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.2819 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.2820 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.2821 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.4822 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.4823 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.4824 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.4825 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.4826 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.5627 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.5628 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.5629 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.5630 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.5631 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.561 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.562 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.563 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.564 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.565 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.566 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.567 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.538 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.539 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.5310 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.5211 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.5212 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.5213 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.5214 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.5215 Sept 2026PriceCharting£21.5216 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18.9317 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18.9318 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18.9319 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18.9320 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18.9321 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18.9322 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3023 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3024 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3025 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3026 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3027 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3028 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3029 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.3030 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.301 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.302 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.303 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.304 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.305 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.306 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.307 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.308 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.309 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3010 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3011 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3012 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3013 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3014 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.3015 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1316 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1317 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.1319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.7524 Oct 2026PriceCharting£18.75
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£65015 Apr 2026PSA 10£65016 Apr 2026PSA 10£65017 Apr 2026PSA 10£65018 Apr 2026PSA 10£64819 Apr 2026PSA 10£64820 Apr 2026PSA 10£64821 Apr 2026PSA 10£64822 Apr 2026PSA 10£64823 Apr 2026PSA 10£64824 Apr 2026PSA 10£65025 Apr 2026PSA 10£65026 Apr 2026PSA 10£65027 Apr 2026PSA 10£65028 Apr 2026PSA 10£65029 Apr 2026PSA 10£65030 Apr 2026PSA 10£6501 May 2026PSA 10£6522 May 2026PSA 10£6523 May 2026PSA 10£6524 May 2026PSA 10£6525 May 2026PSA 10£6526 May 2026PSA 10£6527 May 2026PSA 10£6528 May 2026PSA 10£6529 May 2026PSA 10£65210 May 2026PSA 10£65211 May 2026PSA 10£65312 May 2026PSA 10£65313 May 2026PSA 10£65314 May 2026PSA 10£66115 May 2026PSA 10£66116 May 2026PSA 10£66117 May 2026PSA 10£66118 May 2026PSA 10£66119 May 2026PSA 10£66120 May 2026PSA 10£66621 May 2026PSA 10£66622 May 2026PSA 10£66623 May 2026PSA 10£66624 May 2026PSA 10£66625 May 2026PSA 10£66826 May 2026PSA 10£66827 May 2026PSA 10£65828 May 2026PSA 10£65829 May 2026PSA 10£65830 May 2026PSA 10£65831 May 2026PSA 10£6581 Jun 2026PSA 10£6582 Jun 2026PSA 10£6583 Jun 2026PSA 10£6534 Jun 2026PSA 10£6535 Jun 2026PSA 10£6536 Jun 2026PSA 10£6537 Jun 2026PSA 10£6538 Jun 2026PSA 10£6519 Jun 2026PSA 10£65110 Jun 2026PSA 10£65111 Jun 2026PSA 10£65112 Jun 2026PSA 10£65113 Jun 2026PSA 10£65114 Jun 2026PSA 10£65115 Jun 2026PSA 10£65116 Jun 2026PSA 10£65117 Jun 2026PSA 10£65118 Jun 2026PSA 10£65119 Jun 2026PSA 10£65020 Jun 2026PSA 10£65021 Jun 2026PSA 10£65022 Jun 2026PSA 10£66323 Jun 2026PSA 10£66324 Jun 2026PSA 10£66325 Jun 2026PSA 10£66926 Jun 2026PSA 10£66927 Jun 2026PSA 10£66928 Jun 2026PSA 10£66929 Jun 2026PSA 10£66930 Jun 2026PSA 10£6731 Jul 2026PSA 10£6732 Jul 2026PSA 10£6733 Jul 2026PSA 10£6734 Jul 2026PSA 10£6735 Jul 2026PSA 10£6766 Jul 2026PSA 10£6767 Jul 2026PSA 10£6768 Jul 2026PSA 10£6769 Jul 2026PSA 10£67610 Jul 2026PSA 10£67711 Jul 2026PSA 10£67712 Jul 2026PSA 10£67713 Jul 2026PSA 10£67814 Jul 2026PSA 10£67815 Jul 2026PSA 10£67816 Jul 2026PSA 10£67817 Jul 2026PSA 10£67818 Jul 2026PSA 10£67819 Jul 2026PSA 10£67920 Jul 2026PSA 10£67921 Jul 2026PSA 10£67922 Jul 2026PSA 10£67923 Jul 2026PSA 10£67924 Jul 2026PSA 10£72925 Jul 2026PSA 10£72926 Jul 2026PSA 10£72927 Jul 2026PSA 10£72928 Jul 2026PSA 10£72929 Jul 2026PSA 10£72930 Jul 2026PSA 10£72931 Jul 2026PSA 10£7291 Aug 2026PSA 10£7292 Aug 2026PSA 10£7553 Aug 2026PSA 10£7554 Aug 2026PSA 10£755PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£9825 Aug 2026PSA 10£755PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£9826 Aug 2026PSA 10£755PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£9827 Aug 2026PSA 10£755PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£9828 Aug 2026PSA 10£755PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£9829 Aug 2026PSA 10£755PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£98210 Aug 2026PSA 10£755PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£98211 Aug 2026PSA 10£755PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£98212 Aug 2026PSA 10£785PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,02013 Aug 2026PSA 10£785PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,02014 Aug 2026PSA 10£785PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,02015 Aug 2026PSA 10£862PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,12016 Aug 2026PSA 10£862PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,12017 Aug 2026PSA 10£862PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,12018 Aug 2026PSA 10£862PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,12019 Aug 2026PSA 10£862PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,12020 Aug 2026PSA 10£862PSA 9£98.15CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,12021 Aug 2026PSA 10£912PSA 9£98.13CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,18522 Aug 2026PSA 10£912PSA 9£98.13CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,18523 Aug 2026PSA 10£912PSA 9£98.13CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,18524 Aug 2026PSA 10£912PSA 9£98.13CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,18525 Aug 2026PSA 10£912PSA 9£98.13CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,18526 Aug 2026PSA 10£942PSA 9£98.06CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,22427 Aug 2026PSA 10£942PSA 9£98.06CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,22428 Aug 2026PSA 10£942PSA 9£98.06CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,22429 Aug 2026PSA 10£942PSA 9£98.06CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,22430 Aug 2026PSA 10£942PSA 9£98.06CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,22431 Aug 2026PSA 10£959PSA 9£97.94CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2471 Sept 2026PSA 10£959PSA 9£97.94CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2472 Sept 2026PSA 10£959PSA 9£97.94CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2473 Sept 2026PSA 10£959PSA 9£97.94CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2474 Sept 2026PSA 10£959PSA 9£97.94CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2475 Sept 2026PSA 10£959PSA 9£97.94CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2476 Sept 2026PSA 10£959PSA 9£97.94CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2477 Sept 2026PSA 10£969PSA 9£97.80CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2608 Sept 2026PSA 10£969PSA 9£97.80CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2609 Sept 2026PSA 10£969PSA 9£97.80CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26010 Sept 2026PSA 10£973PSA 9£97.56CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26511 Sept 2026PSA 10£973PSA 9£97.56CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26512 Sept 2026PSA 10£973PSA 9£97.56CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26513 Sept 2026PSA 10£973PSA 9£97.56CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26514 Sept 2026PSA 10£973PSA 9£97.56CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26515 Sept 2026PSA 10£973PSA 9£97.56CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26516 Sept 2026PSA 10£976PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26817 Sept 2026PSA 10£976PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26818 Sept 2026PSA 10£976PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26819 Sept 2026PSA 10£976PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26820 Sept 2026PSA 10£976PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26821 Sept 2026PSA 10£976PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,26822 Sept 2026PSA 10£920PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,19623 Sept 2026PSA 10£920PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,19624 Sept 2026PSA 10£920PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,19625 Sept 2026PSA 10£967PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,25826 Sept 2026PSA 10£967PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,25827 Sept 2026PSA 10£967PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,25828 Sept 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,28929 Sept 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,28930 Sept 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2891 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2892 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2893 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2894 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2895 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2896 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2897 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2898 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,2899 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,28910 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,28911 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,28912 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,28913 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,28914 Oct 2026PSA 10£991PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,28915 Oct 2026PSA 10£1,020PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,32616 Oct 2026PSA 10£1,020PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,32617 Oct 2026PSA 10£1,020PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,32618 Oct 2026PSA 10£1,020PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£1,32619 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£5,50320 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£5,50321 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£5,50322 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£97.53CGC 10£319BGS 10£5,50323 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£123CGC 10£319BGS 10£5,50324 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£113CGC 10£319BGS 10£5,503
£2,000£4,000
14 Apr9 May7 Jun1 Jul26 Jul24 Oct
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.