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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 11.3× raw
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£8.86
Grade 9£14.03
Grade 9.5£15.51
PSA 10£100
BGS 10£131
CGC 10£7.76
A PSA 10 sells for 11.3× the raw card — a gap of £91.47. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£8.86
30-day low£7.76
Tracked high£8.86
Days tracked139
IllustratorSaya Tsuruta
Pokédex982
Price history
118 readings · 139d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.4324 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.4125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7226 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7227 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7228 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.7229 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.7030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.50PriceCharting£8.7031 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.50PriceCharting£8.86
£7.00£8.00
23 Aug25 Aug29 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
31 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.051 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.872 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.873 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.874 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.875 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.766 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.767 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.358 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.359 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.3510 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.3511 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.3512 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.3513 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.4614 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.4615 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.4616 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.3517 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.3518 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.3519 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.36PriceCharting£8.3520 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.36PriceCharting£7.9821 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£7.9822 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.4123 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.4124 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.4125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7226 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7227 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7228 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.7229 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.7030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.50PriceCharting£8.7031 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.50PriceCharting£8.86
£7.00£8.00
1 Aug5 Aug16 Aug31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.7915 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.7916 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.7917 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.7918 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.9019 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.9020 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.3721 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.3722 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.3723 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.3724 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.4725 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.4726 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.4727 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0028 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0029 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.0330 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.031 May 2026PriceCharting£5.032 May 2026PriceCharting£4.853 May 2026PriceCharting£4.854 May 2026PriceCharting£4.855 May 2026PriceCharting£4.856 May 2026PriceCharting£5.087 May 2026PriceCharting£5.088 May 2026PriceCharting£5.839 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.8310 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.8311 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.8312 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£4.3013 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£4.3014 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£4.3015 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£4.3016 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.1617 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.1618 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.3019 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.3020 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.3121 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.3122 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.3123 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.3124 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.3125 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.7926 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.7927 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.8328 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.8329 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.8330 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.6031 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.601 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.602 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.353 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.354 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.355 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.576 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.577 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.578 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.939 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.9310 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.9311 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.9512 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.9513 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£5.9514 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.4315 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.4316 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.4317 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.4618 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.4619 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.4620 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.6021 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.6022 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£6.6023 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.7424 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.7425 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.7426 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.7027 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.7028 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.7029 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.5930 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.591 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.592 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.333 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.334 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.335 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.336 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.387 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.388 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.399 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.3910 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.3911 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8912 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8913 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8914 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8915 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8916 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8917 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8918 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8919 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.8920 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.3821 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.3822 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.3823 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.2024 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.2025 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.2026 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.2027 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£5.51PriceCharting£7.3928 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.3929 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.9430 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.9431 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.941 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.872 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.873 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.874 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.875 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.766 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£7.767 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.358 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.359 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.3510 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.3511 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.3512 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.05PriceCharting£8.3513 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.4614 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.4615 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.4616 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.3517 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.64PriceCharting£8.3518 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.3519 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.36PriceCharting£8.3520 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.36PriceCharting£7.9821 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£7.9822 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.4123 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.4124 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.4125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7226 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7227 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.36PriceCharting£8.7228 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.7229 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.43PriceCharting£8.7030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.50PriceCharting£8.7031 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£6.50PriceCharting£8.86
£6.00£8.00
14 Apr26 May6 Jul31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £100
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9715 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9716 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9717 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9718 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9719 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9720 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9721 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9722 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9723 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9724 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9725 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9726 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9727 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9728 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9729 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.9730 Apr 2026PSA 10£59.971 May 2026PSA 10£59.972 May 2026PSA 10£59.973 May 2026PSA 10£59.974 May 2026PSA 10£59.975 May 2026PSA 10£59.976 May 2026PSA 10£59.977 May 2026PSA 10£59.978 May 2026PSA 10£62.789 May 2026PSA 10£62.7810 May 2026PSA 10£62.7811 May 2026PSA 10£62.7812 May 2026PSA 10£62.7813 May 2026PSA 10£62.7814 May 2026PSA 10£62.7815 May 2026PSA 10£62.7816 May 2026PSA 10£62.7817 May 2026PSA 10£62.7818 May 2026PSA 10£62.7819 May 2026PSA 10£62.7820 May 2026PSA 10£64.0721 May 2026PSA 10£64.0722 May 2026PSA 10£64.0723 May 2026PSA 10£64.0724 May 2026PSA 10£64.0725 May 2026PSA 10£64.0726 May 2026PSA 10£64.0727 May 2026PSA 10£70.1728 May 2026PSA 10£70.1729 May 2026PSA 10£70.1730 May 2026PSA 10£70.1731 May 2026PSA 10£70.171 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.172 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.173 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.174 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.175 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.176 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.177 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.178 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.179 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1710 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1711 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1712 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1713 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1714 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1715 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1716 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1717 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1718 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1719 Jun 2026PSA 10£70.1720 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.4921 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.4922 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.4923 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.4924 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.4925 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.4926 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.7127 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.7128 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.7129 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.7130 Jun 2026PSA 10£75.711 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.712 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.713 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.714 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.715 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.716 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.717 Jul 2026PSA 10£75.718 Jul 2026PSA 10£96.059 Jul 2026PSA 10£96.0510 Jul 2026PSA 10£96.0511 Jul 2026PSA 10£96.0512 Jul 2026PSA 10£96.0513 Jul 2026PSA 10£96.0514 Jul 2026PSA 10£10615 Jul 2026PSA 10£10616 Jul 2026PSA 10£10617 Jul 2026PSA 10£10618 Jul 2026PSA 10£10619 Jul 2026PSA 10£10620 Jul 2026PSA 10£10621 Jul 2026PSA 10£10622 Jul 2026PSA 10£10623 Jul 2026PSA 10£10624 Jul 2026PSA 10£10625 Jul 2026PSA 10£10626 Jul 2026PSA 10£10627 Jul 2026PSA 10£10628 Jul 2026PSA 10£10629 Jul 2026PSA 10£10630 Jul 2026PSA 10£10631 Jul 2026PSA 10£1061 Aug 2026PSA 10£1052 Aug 2026PSA 10£1053 Aug 2026PSA 10£1054 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.765 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.766 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.767 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.768 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.769 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7610 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7611 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7612 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7613 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7614 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7615 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7616 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7617 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7618 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7619 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7620 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7621 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7622 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7623 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7624 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7625 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7626 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7627 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7628 Aug 2026PSA 10£105Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£137CGC 10£7.7629 Aug 2026PSA 10£102Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£133CGC 10£7.7630 Aug 2026PSA 10£102Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£133CGC 10£7.7631 Aug 2026PSA 10£100Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£14.03BGS 10£131CGC 10£7.76
£50.00£100
14 Apr26 May6 Jul31 Aug
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
1 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
13 Aug 2026New listings/day214 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day119 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day122 Aug 2026New listings/day123 Aug 2026New listings/day124 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day028 Aug 2026New listings/day129 Aug 2026New listings/day130 Aug 2026New listings/day1
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New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
2 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.