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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 8.3× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£40.04
PSA 10£333
PSA 9£58.71
CGC 10£86.16
BGS 10£433
A PSA 10 sells for 8.3× the raw card — a gap of £293. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£44.92
30-day low£40.04
Tracked high£51.70
Days tracked195
Illustratortakuyoa
Pokédex197
Price history
130 readings · 195d
HoloHawk awaiting data£40.04-6.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
19 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.4124 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.3625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.3626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£40.04
£41.00£42.00£43.00
19 Oct19 Oct23 Oct23 Oct24 Oct26 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£40.04-11.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
26 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.9227 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.9228 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.9129 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.9130 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.632 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.633 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.634 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.635 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.636 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.637 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.638 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.639 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6310 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6311 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6312 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6313 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6314 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6315 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.0116 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.0117 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.0118 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.0119 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.4124 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.3625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.3626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£40.04
£42.00£44.00
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HoloHawk awaiting data£40.04-5.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£42.5415 Apr 2026PriceCharting£42.5416 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.6917 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.6918 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.6919 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.6920 Apr 2026PriceCharting£42.5221 Apr 2026PriceCharting£42.5222 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.9923 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.9924 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.9925 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.8526 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.8527 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.8528 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.9629 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.9630 Apr 2026PriceCharting£41.961 May 2026PriceCharting£41.962 May 2026PriceCharting£41.963 May 2026PriceCharting£41.964 May 2026PriceCharting£42.255 May 2026PriceCharting£42.256 May 2026PriceCharting£42.257 May 2026PriceCharting£41.298 May 2026PriceCharting£41.299 May 2026PriceCharting£41.2910 May 2026PriceCharting£41.2911 May 2026PriceCharting£41.2512 May 2026PriceCharting£41.2513 May 2026PriceCharting£41.2714 May 2026PriceCharting£41.2715 May 2026PriceCharting£41.2716 May 2026PriceCharting£41.4117 May 2026PriceCharting£41.4118 May 2026PriceCharting£41.4119 May 2026PriceCharting£43.5520 May 2026PriceCharting£43.5521 May 2026PriceCharting£43.5522 May 2026PriceCharting£44.2023 May 2026PriceCharting£44.2024 May 2026PriceCharting£44.2025 May 2026PriceCharting£44.2026 May 2026PriceCharting£44.2027 May 2026PriceCharting£44.2028 May 2026PriceCharting£44.2029 May 2026PriceCharting£44.2030 May 2026PriceCharting£44.1831 May 2026PriceCharting£44.181 Jun 2026PriceCharting£44.152 Jun 2026PriceCharting£44.153 Jun 2026PriceCharting£46.854 Jun 2026PriceCharting£46.855 Jun 2026PriceCharting£46.856 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.287 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.288 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.289 Jun 2026PriceCharting£44.3210 Jun 2026PriceCharting£44.3211 Jun 2026PriceCharting£44.3212 Jun 2026PriceCharting£42.7613 Jun 2026PriceCharting£42.7614 Jun 2026PriceCharting£42.7615 Jun 2026PriceCharting£42.9016 Jun 2026PriceCharting£42.9017 Jun 2026PriceCharting£42.9018 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.9419 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.9420 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.9421 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.5022 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.5023 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.5024 Jun 2026PriceCharting£46.3225 Jun 2026PriceCharting£46.3226 Jun 2026PriceCharting£46.3227 Jun 2026PriceCharting£46.3228 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.2029 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.2030 Jun 2026PriceCharting£50.201 Jul 2026PriceCharting£50.202 Jul 2026PriceCharting£50.203 Jul 2026PriceCharting£50.174 Jul 2026PriceCharting£50.175 Jul 2026PriceCharting£50.176 Jul 2026PriceCharting£50.177 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.008 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.009 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0210 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0211 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0212 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.7013 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.7014 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.7015 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0916 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0917 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0918 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0919 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0920 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.0921 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1122 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1123 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1124 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1125 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1326 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1327 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1328 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1329 Jul 2026PriceCharting£51.1330 Jul 2026PriceCharting£50.3431 Jul 2026PriceCharting£50.341 Aug 2026PriceCharting£49.512 Aug 2026PriceCharting£49.513 Aug 2026PriceCharting£49.514 Aug 2026PriceCharting£49.855 Aug 2026PriceCharting£49.856 Aug 2026PriceCharting£49.857 Aug 2026PriceCharting£49.858 Aug 2026PriceCharting£48.149 Aug 2026PriceCharting£48.1410 Aug 2026PriceCharting£48.1411 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5712 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5713 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5714 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5715 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5716 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5717 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5718 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5519 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.5520 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9521 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9522 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9523 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9524 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9525 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9526 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9527 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9528 Aug 2026PriceCharting£46.9529 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.0730 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.0731 Aug 2026PriceCharting£47.071 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.822 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.823 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.355 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.356 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.357 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.358 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.359 Sept 2026PriceCharting£46.3510 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.6811 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.6812 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.6813 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.6814 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.6715 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.6716 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.6717 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.6718 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.2119 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.2120 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.2121 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.2122 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.2123 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.2124 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.2125 Sept 2026PriceCharting£45.2126 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.9227 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.9228 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.9129 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.9130 Sept 2026PriceCharting£44.911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.632 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.633 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.634 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.635 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.636 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.637 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.638 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.639 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6310 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6311 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6312 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6313 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6314 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.6315 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.0116 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.0117 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.0118 Oct 2026PriceCharting£43.0119 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£42.8523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.4124 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.3625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£41.3626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£40.04
£45.00£50.00
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£32815 Apr 2026PSA 10£32816 Apr 2026PSA 10£32817 Apr 2026PSA 10£32818 Apr 2026PSA 10£32819 Apr 2026PSA 10£32820 Apr 2026PSA 10£32821 Apr 2026PSA 10£32822 Apr 2026PSA 10£34223 Apr 2026PSA 10£34224 Apr 2026PSA 10£34225 Apr 2026PSA 10£34226 Apr 2026PSA 10£34227 Apr 2026PSA 10£34228 Apr 2026PSA 10£35029 Apr 2026PSA 10£35030 Apr 2026PSA 10£3501 May 2026PSA 10£3522 May 2026PSA 10£3523 May 2026PSA 10£3524 May 2026PSA 10£3525 May 2026PSA 10£3526 May 2026PSA 10£3527 May 2026PSA 10£3528 May 2026PSA 10£3529 May 2026PSA 10£35210 May 2026PSA 10£35211 May 2026PSA 10£35212 May 2026PSA 10£35213 May 2026PSA 10£35214 May 2026PSA 10£35215 May 2026PSA 10£35216 May 2026PSA 10£35217 May 2026PSA 10£35218 May 2026PSA 10£35219 May 2026PSA 10£35220 May 2026PSA 10£35221 May 2026PSA 10£35222 May 2026PSA 10£35223 May 2026PSA 10£35224 May 2026PSA 10£35225 May 2026PSA 10£35226 May 2026PSA 10£35227 May 2026PSA 10£35228 May 2026PSA 10£35229 May 2026PSA 10£35230 May 2026PSA 10£35231 May 2026PSA 10£3521 Jun 2026PSA 10£3522 Jun 2026PSA 10£3523 Jun 2026PSA 10£3524 Jun 2026PSA 10£3525 Jun 2026PSA 10£3526 Jun 2026PSA 10£3527 Jun 2026PSA 10£3528 Jun 2026PSA 10£3529 Jun 2026PSA 10£35210 Jun 2026PSA 10£35211 Jun 2026PSA 10£35212 Jun 2026PSA 10£35213 Jun 2026PSA 10£35214 Jun 2026PSA 10£35215 Jun 2026PSA 10£35216 Jun 2026PSA 10£35217 Jun 2026PSA 10£35218 Jun 2026PSA 10£35219 Jun 2026PSA 10£35220 Jun 2026PSA 10£35221 Jun 2026PSA 10£35222 Jun 2026PSA 10£35223 Jun 2026PSA 10£35224 Jun 2026PSA 10£35225 Jun 2026PSA 10£35226 Jun 2026PSA 10£35227 Jun 2026PSA 10£35228 Jun 2026PSA 10£35229 Jun 2026PSA 10£35230 Jun 2026PSA 10£3521 Jul 2026PSA 10£3522 Jul 2026PSA 10£3523 Jul 2026PSA 10£3524 Jul 2026PSA 10£3525 Jul 2026PSA 10£3526 Jul 2026PSA 10£3527 Jul 2026PSA 10£3528 Jul 2026PSA 10£3529 Jul 2026PSA 10£35210 Jul 2026PSA 10£35211 Jul 2026PSA 10£35212 Jul 2026PSA 10£33813 Jul 2026PSA 10£33814 Jul 2026PSA 10£33815 Jul 2026PSA 10£35216 Jul 2026PSA 10£35217 Jul 2026PSA 10£35218 Jul 2026PSA 10£35219 Jul 2026PSA 10£35220 Jul 2026PSA 10£35221 Jul 2026PSA 10£35222 Jul 2026PSA 10£35223 Jul 2026PSA 10£35224 Jul 2026PSA 10£35225 Jul 2026PSA 10£35226 Jul 2026PSA 10£35227 Jul 2026PSA 10£35228 Jul 2026PSA 10£35229 Jul 2026PSA 10£35230 Jul 2026PSA 10£35231 Jul 2026PSA 10£3521 Aug 2026PSA 10£3522 Aug 2026PSA 10£3523 Aug 2026PSA 10£3524 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£4585 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£4586 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£4587 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£4588 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£4589 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45810 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45811 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45812 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45813 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45814 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45815 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45816 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45817 Aug 2026PSA 10£352PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£45818 Aug 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£44019 Aug 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£44020 Aug 2026PSA 10£336PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£43721 Aug 2026PSA 10£336PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£43722 Aug 2026PSA 10£336PSA 9£45.70CGC 10£140BGS 10£43723 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£45624 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£45625 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£45626 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£45627 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£45628 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£45629 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£45730 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£45731 Aug 2026PSA 10£351PSA 9£61.75CGC 10£140BGS 10£4571 Sept 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£140BGS 10£4402 Sept 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£140BGS 10£4403 Sept 2026PSA 10£338PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£140BGS 10£4404 Sept 2026PSA 10£336PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£140BGS 10£4375 Sept 2026PSA 10£336PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£140BGS 10£4376 Sept 2026PSA 10£336PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£140BGS 10£4377 Sept 2026PSA 10£336PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£140BGS 10£4378 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£80.46BGS 10£2739 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£62.56CGC 10£80.46BGS 10£27310 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£61.04CGC 10£78.19BGS 10£27311 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£61.04CGC 10£78.19BGS 10£27312 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£61.04CGC 10£78.19BGS 10£27313 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£61.04CGC 10£78.19BGS 10£27314 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.75CGC 10£77.59BGS 10£27315 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.75CGC 10£77.59BGS 10£27316 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.75CGC 10£77.59BGS 10£27317 Sept 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.75CGC 10£77.59BGS 10£27318 Sept 2026PSA 10£309PSA 9£60.62CGC 10£77.92BGS 10£40219 Sept 2026PSA 10£309PSA 9£60.62CGC 10£77.92BGS 10£40220 Sept 2026PSA 10£309PSA 9£60.62CGC 10£77.92BGS 10£40221 Sept 2026PSA 10£309PSA 9£60.62CGC 10£77.92BGS 10£40222 Sept 2026PSA 10£322PSA 9£60.56CGC 10£79.12BGS 10£41823 Sept 2026PSA 10£322PSA 9£60.56CGC 10£79.12BGS 10£41824 Sept 2026PSA 10£322PSA 9£60.56CGC 10£79.12BGS 10£41825 Sept 2026PSA 10£322PSA 9£60.56CGC 10£79.12BGS 10£41826 Sept 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£80.43BGS 10£42627 Sept 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£80.43BGS 10£42628 Sept 2026PSA 10£331PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.15BGS 10£43029 Sept 2026PSA 10£331PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.15BGS 10£43030 Sept 2026PSA 10£331PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.15BGS 10£4301 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£2732 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£2733 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£2734 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£2735 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£2736 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£2737 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£2738 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£2739 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£27310 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£27311 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£27312 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£27313 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£27314 Oct 2026PSA 10£210PSA 9£60.50CGC 10£81.87BGS 10£27315 Oct 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£60.01CGC 10£85.71BGS 10£42616 Oct 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£60.01CGC 10£85.71BGS 10£42617 Oct 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£60.01CGC 10£85.71BGS 10£42618 Oct 2026PSA 10£328PSA 9£60.01CGC 10£85.71BGS 10£42619 Oct 2026PSA 10£331PSA 9£60.26CGC 10£85.93BGS 10£43020 Oct 2026PSA 10£331PSA 9£60.26CGC 10£85.93BGS 10£43021 Oct 2026PSA 10£331PSA 9£60.26CGC 10£85.93BGS 10£43022 Oct 2026PSA 10£331PSA 9£60.26CGC 10£85.93BGS 10£43023 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£59.22CGC 10£86.16BGS 10£43324 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£58.89CGC 10£86.16BGS 10£43325 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£58.89CGC 10£86.16BGS 10£43326 Oct 2026PSA 10£333PSA 9£58.71CGC 10£86.16BGS 10£433
£200£400
14 Apr11 May10 Jun5 Jul31 Jul26 Oct
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.
