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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 24.9× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£166
PSA 10£4,130
PSA 9£183
CGC 10£978
BGS 10£5,369
A PSA 10 sells for 24.9× the raw card — a gap of £3,965. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£172
30-day low£146
Tracked high£192
Days tracked197
IllustratorMINAMINAMI Take
Pokédex4
Price history
133 readings · 197d
HoloHawk awaiting data£166-2.7%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
21 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17022 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17023 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16924 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17125 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17126 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17127 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17128 Oct 2026PriceCharting£166
£166£168£170
21 Oct23 Oct23 Oct24 Oct24 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£166-3.6%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17229 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17230 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1671 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1672 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1673 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1674 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1675 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1676 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1677 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1678 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1679 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16710 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16711 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16712 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16713 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16714 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16715 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17020 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17021 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17022 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17023 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16924 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17125 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17126 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17127 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17128 Oct 2026PriceCharting£166
£150£160£170
28 Sept30 Sept15 Oct23 Oct24 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£166+6.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15515 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15516 Apr 2026PriceCharting£16117 Apr 2026PriceCharting£16118 Apr 2026PriceCharting£16119 Apr 2026PriceCharting£16120 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17721 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17722 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17723 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17924 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17925 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17026 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17027 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17028 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17029 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17630 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1761 May 2026PriceCharting£1762 May 2026PriceCharting£1733 May 2026PriceCharting£1734 May 2026PriceCharting£1695 May 2026PriceCharting£1696 May 2026PriceCharting£1697 May 2026PriceCharting£1868 May 2026PriceCharting£1869 May 2026PriceCharting£18610 May 2026PriceCharting£18611 May 2026PriceCharting£17612 May 2026PriceCharting£17613 May 2026PriceCharting£17614 May 2026PriceCharting£18615 May 2026PriceCharting£18616 May 2026PriceCharting£18617 May 2026PriceCharting£17518 May 2026PriceCharting£17519 May 2026PriceCharting£17520 May 2026PriceCharting£17521 May 2026PriceCharting£17522 May 2026PriceCharting£19223 May 2026PriceCharting£19224 May 2026PriceCharting£19225 May 2026PriceCharting£19226 May 2026PriceCharting£18727 May 2026PriceCharting£18728 May 2026PriceCharting£18729 May 2026PriceCharting£18730 May 2026PriceCharting£18631 May 2026PriceCharting£1861 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1862 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1813 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1814 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1815 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1766 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1767 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1768 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1769 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18110 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18111 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17812 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17813 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17814 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17015 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17016 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17017 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16918 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16919 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16920 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17621 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17622 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17623 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18124 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18125 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18126 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18127 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18128 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18129 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18130 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1811 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1812 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1813 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1814 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1815 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1546 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1547 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1548 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1819 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18110 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18111 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18112 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18113 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18114 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18115 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18316 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18317 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18118 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18119 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18120 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18121 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18122 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18123 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15724 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15725 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15726 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15727 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18428 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18429 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18030 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18031 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1801 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1812 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1813 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1814 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1815 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1836 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1837 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1838 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1839 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18310 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18311 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18512 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18513 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18514 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17815 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17816 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18517 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18518 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18519 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18220 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18221 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18222 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18223 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18524 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18525 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18626 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18627 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18628 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18629 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18630 Aug 2026PriceCharting£18631 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1861 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1832 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1833 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1834 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1835 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1836 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1707 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1708 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1709 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17010 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17011 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17012 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16913 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16914 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16915 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16916 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15317 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15318 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16419 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16420 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16421 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16422 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17323 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17324 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17325 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17226 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17227 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17228 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17229 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17230 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1671 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1672 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1673 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1674 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1675 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1676 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1677 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1678 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1679 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16710 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16711 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16712 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16713 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16714 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16715 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17020 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17021 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17022 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17023 Oct 2026PriceCharting£16924 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17125 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17126 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17127 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17128 Oct 2026PriceCharting£166
£160£180
14 Apr11 May11 Jun7 Jul3 Aug28 Oct
Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31115 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31116 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31117 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31118 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31119 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31120 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31121 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31122 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,31123 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,29724 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,29725 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,29626 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,29627 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,29628 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,29629 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,29630 Apr 2026PSA 10£2,2961 May 2026PSA 10£2,2962 May 2026PSA 10£2,4233 May 2026PSA 10£2,4234 May 2026PSA 10£2,3095 May 2026PSA 10£2,3096 May 2026PSA 10£2,3097 May 2026PSA 10£3,2388 May 2026PSA 10£3,2389 May 2026PSA 10£3,23810 May 2026PSA 10£3,23811 May 2026PSA 10£3,31612 May 2026PSA 10£3,31613 May 2026PSA 10£3,31614 May 2026PSA 10£3,32015 May 2026PSA 10£3,32016 May 2026PSA 10£3,32017 May 2026PSA 10£3,32318 May 2026PSA 10£3,32319 May 2026PSA 10£3,32320 May 2026PSA 10£3,32321 May 2026PSA 10£3,32322 May 2026PSA 10£3,33023 May 2026PSA 10£3,33024 May 2026PSA 10£3,33025 May 2026PSA 10£3,33026 May 2026PSA 10£3,33027 May 2026PSA 10£3,33028 May 2026PSA 10£3,33029 May 2026PSA 10£3,33030 May 2026PSA 10£3,33031 May 2026PSA 10£3,3301 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,3302 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,4623 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,4624 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,4625 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,4626 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,4627 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,4628 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,4629 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46210 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46211 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46212 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46213 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46214 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46215 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46216 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46217 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46218 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46219 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46220 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46721 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46722 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,46723 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,65024 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,65025 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,65026 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,78227 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,78228 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,78229 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,78230 Jun 2026PSA 10£3,7821 Jul 2026PSA 10£3,7822 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,2713 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,2714 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,2715 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,3486 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,3487 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,3488 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,3489 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,34810 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,34811 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,34812 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,34813 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,34814 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,34815 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,30916 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,30917 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,29018 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,29019 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,29020 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,28021 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,28022 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,28023 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,27124 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,27125 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,27126 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,27127 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,47828 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,47829 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,47830 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,47831 Jul 2026PSA 10£4,4781 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,4782 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,4783 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,4784 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,8215 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,8216 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,8217 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,8218 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,8219 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,82110 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,82111 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,82112 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,82113 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,478PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,82114 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98815 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98816 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98817 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98818 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98819 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98820 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98821 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98822 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£240CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98823 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98824 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98825 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98826 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98827 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,606PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,98828 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,04329 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,04330 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,04331 Aug 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,0431 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,0432 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£239CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,0433 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,0434 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,0435 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,649PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£6,0436 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,9617 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,9618 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,9619 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96110 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96111 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£237CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96112 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96113 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96114 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96115 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96116 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96117 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,585PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,96118 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50419 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50420 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50421 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50422 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50423 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50424 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£222CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50425 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50426 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50427 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50428 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50429 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,233PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,50430 Sept 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3641 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3642 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3643 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3644 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3645 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3646 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3647 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3648 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,3649 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,36410 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,36411 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,36412 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,36413 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,36414 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,127PSA 9£223CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,36415 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,201PSA 9£199CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,46116 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,201PSA 9£199CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,46117 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,201PSA 9£199CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,46118 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,201PSA 9£199CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,46119 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,206PSA 9£200CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,46820 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,206PSA 9£200CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,46821 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,206PSA 9£200CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,46822 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,206PSA 9£200CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,46823 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,209PSA 9£195CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,47224 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,211PSA 9£183CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,47425 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,211PSA 9£183CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,47426 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,211PSA 9£183CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,47427 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,211PSA 9£183CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,47428 Oct 2026PSA 10£4,130PSA 9£183CGC 10£978BGS 10£5,369
£2,000£4,000£6,000
14 Apr11 May11 Jun7 Jul3 Aug28 Oct
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.