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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£3.77
PSA 10£116
PSA 9£39.56
CGC 10£67.16
BGS 10£151
At a glance
30-day high£4.05
30-day low£3.73
Tracked high£9.69
Days tracked195
Price history
121 readings · 195d
HoloHawk awaiting data£3.77-6.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
19 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7921 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7922 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7923 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7924 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7925 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7926 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.77
£3.80£3.90£4.00
19 Oct19 Oct20 Oct20 Oct26 Oct26 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£3.77+1.1%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
26 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7327 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7328 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7329 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7330 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.731 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.732 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.733 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.734 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.735 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.736 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.737 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.738 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.739 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7310 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7311 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7312 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7313 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7314 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7315 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0516 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7921 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7922 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7923 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7924 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7925 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7926 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.77
£3.80£3.90£4.00
26 Sept30 Sept15 Oct15 Oct20 Oct26 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£3.770.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7715 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7716 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7217 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7218 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7219 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7220 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7221 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7222 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7223 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7224 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7225 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7226 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7227 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.7228 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.6629 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.6630 Apr 2026PriceCharting£3.661 May 2026PriceCharting£3.652 May 2026PriceCharting£3.653 May 2026PriceCharting£3.654 May 2026PriceCharting£3.655 May 2026PriceCharting£3.516 May 2026PriceCharting£3.517 May 2026PriceCharting£3.518 May 2026PriceCharting£3.519 May 2026PriceCharting£3.5110 May 2026PriceCharting£3.5111 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6312 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6313 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6314 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6415 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6416 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6417 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6418 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6919 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6920 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6921 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6922 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6923 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6924 May 2026PriceCharting£3.6925 May 2026PriceCharting£3.7226 May 2026PriceCharting£3.7227 May 2026PriceCharting£3.7228 May 2026PriceCharting£3.7229 May 2026PriceCharting£3.7230 May 2026PriceCharting£3.7631 May 2026PriceCharting£3.761 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.762 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.763 Jun 2026PriceCharting£3.764 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.115 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.116 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.117 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.118 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.109 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1010 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1011 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.3412 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.3413 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.3414 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.3415 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.3416 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.3417 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.7818 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.7819 Jun 2026PriceCharting£6.7820 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9921 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9922 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9923 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9924 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9625 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9626 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9627 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9628 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9629 Jun 2026PriceCharting£5.9630 Jun 2026PriceCharting£7.461 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.462 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.463 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.464 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.465 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.556 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.557 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.558 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.559 Jul 2026PriceCharting£7.5510 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.7011 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.7012 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.7013 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.7014 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.7015 Jul 2026PriceCharting£8.7016 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.6917 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.6918 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.6919 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.6920 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.6921 Jul 2026PriceCharting£4.6222 Jul 2026PriceCharting£4.6223 Jul 2026PriceCharting£4.6224 Jul 2026PriceCharting£4.6225 Jul 2026PriceCharting£4.6226 Jul 2026PriceCharting£5.6727 Jul 2026PriceCharting£5.6728 Jul 2026PriceCharting£5.6729 Jul 2026PriceCharting£5.6730 Jul 2026PriceCharting£5.6731 Jul 2026PriceCharting£5.671 Aug 2026PriceCharting£6.012 Aug 2026PriceCharting£6.013 Aug 2026PriceCharting£6.014 Aug 2026PriceCharting£6.015 Aug 2026PriceCharting£6.016 Aug 2026PriceCharting£6.017 Aug 2026PriceCharting£6.018 Aug 2026PriceCharting£5.059 Aug 2026PriceCharting£5.0510 Aug 2026PriceCharting£5.0511 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.2512 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.2513 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.2514 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.2515 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.2516 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.2517 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.2518 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.2519 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.8820 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.8821 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.8822 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.8823 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.8824 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.8825 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.9526 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.9527 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.9528 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.9529 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.0630 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.0631 Aug 2026PriceCharting£4.061 Sept 2026PriceCharting£4.062 Sept 2026PriceCharting£4.063 Sept 2026PriceCharting£4.064 Sept 2026PriceCharting£4.065 Sept 2026PriceCharting£4.066 Sept 2026PriceCharting£4.067 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.738 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.739 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7310 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7311 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7312 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7313 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7314 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7315 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7316 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7317 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7318 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7319 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7320 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7321 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7322 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7323 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7324 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7325 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7326 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7327 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7328 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7329 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.7330 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.731 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.732 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.733 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.734 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.735 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.736 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.737 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.738 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.739 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7310 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7311 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7312 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7313 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7314 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7315 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0516 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£4.0520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7921 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7922 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7923 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7924 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7925 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.7926 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.77
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£11615 Apr 2026PSA 10£11616 Apr 2026PSA 10£11617 Apr 2026PSA 10£11618 Apr 2026PSA 10£11619 Apr 2026PSA 10£11620 Apr 2026PSA 10£11621 Apr 2026PSA 10£11622 Apr 2026PSA 10£11623 Apr 2026PSA 10£11624 Apr 2026PSA 10£11625 Apr 2026PSA 10£11626 Apr 2026PSA 10£11627 Apr 2026PSA 10£11628 Apr 2026PSA 10£11629 Apr 2026PSA 10£11630 Apr 2026PSA 10£1161 May 2026PSA 10£1162 May 2026PSA 10£1163 May 2026PSA 10£1164 May 2026PSA 10£1165 May 2026PSA 10£1166 May 2026PSA 10£1167 May 2026PSA 10£1168 May 2026PSA 10£1169 May 2026PSA 10£11610 May 2026PSA 10£11611 May 2026PSA 10£11612 May 2026PSA 10£11613 May 2026PSA 10£11614 May 2026PSA 10£11615 May 2026PSA 10£11616 May 2026PSA 10£11617 May 2026PSA 10£11618 May 2026PSA 10£11619 May 2026PSA 10£11620 May 2026PSA 10£11621 May 2026PSA 10£11622 May 2026PSA 10£11623 May 2026PSA 10£11624 May 2026PSA 10£11625 May 2026PSA 10£11626 May 2026PSA 10£11627 May 2026PSA 10£11628 May 2026PSA 10£11629 May 2026PSA 10£11630 May 2026PSA 10£11631 May 2026PSA 10£1161 Jun 2026PSA 10£1162 Jun 2026PSA 10£1163 Jun 2026PSA 10£1164 Jun 2026PSA 10£1165 Jun 2026PSA 10£1166 Jun 2026PSA 10£1167 Jun 2026PSA 10£1168 Jun 2026PSA 10£1169 Jun 2026PSA 10£11610 Jun 2026PSA 10£11611 Jun 2026PSA 10£11612 Jun 2026PSA 10£11613 Jun 2026PSA 10£11614 Jun 2026PSA 10£11615 Jun 2026PSA 10£11616 Jun 2026PSA 10£11617 Jun 2026PSA 10£11618 Jun 2026PSA 10£11619 Jun 2026PSA 10£11620 Jun 2026PSA 10£11621 Jun 2026PSA 10£11622 Jun 2026PSA 10£11623 Jun 2026PSA 10£11624 Jun 2026PSA 10£11625 Jun 2026PSA 10£11626 Jun 2026PSA 10£11627 Jun 2026PSA 10£11628 Jun 2026PSA 10£11629 Jun 2026PSA 10£11630 Jun 2026PSA 10£1161 Jul 2026PSA 10£1162 Jul 2026PSA 10£1163 Jul 2026PSA 10£1164 Jul 2026PSA 10£1165 Jul 2026PSA 10£1166 Jul 2026PSA 10£1167 Jul 2026PSA 10£1168 Jul 2026PSA 10£1169 Jul 2026PSA 10£11610 Jul 2026PSA 10£11611 Jul 2026PSA 10£11612 Jul 2026PSA 10£11613 Jul 2026PSA 10£11614 Jul 2026PSA 10£11615 Jul 2026PSA 10£11616 Jul 2026PSA 10£11617 Jul 2026PSA 10£11618 Jul 2026PSA 10£11619 Jul 2026PSA 10£11620 Jul 2026PSA 10£11621 Jul 2026PSA 10£11622 Jul 2026PSA 10£11623 Jul 2026PSA 10£11624 Jul 2026PSA 10£11625 Jul 2026PSA 10£11626 Jul 2026PSA 10£11627 Jul 2026PSA 10£11628 Jul 2026PSA 10£11629 Jul 2026PSA 10£11630 Jul 2026PSA 10£11631 Jul 2026PSA 10£1161 Aug 2026PSA 10£1162 Aug 2026PSA 10£1163 Aug 2026PSA 10£1164 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£42.54CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1515 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£42.54CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1516 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£42.54CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1517 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£42.54CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1518 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£42.54CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1519 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£42.54CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15110 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£42.54CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15111 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15112 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15113 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15114 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15115 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15116 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15117 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15118 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15119 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15120 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15121 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15122 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15123 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15124 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.79CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15125 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15126 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15127 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15128 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15129 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15130 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15131 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1511 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1512 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1513 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1514 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1515 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1516 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1517 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1518 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1519 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15110 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15111 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15112 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15113 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15114 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15115 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15116 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15117 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15118 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15119 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15120 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15121 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15122 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15123 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15124 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15125 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15126 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15127 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15128 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15129 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15130 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1511 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1512 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1513 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1514 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1515 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1516 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1517 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1518 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£1519 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15110 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15111 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15112 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15113 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15114 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15115 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15116 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15117 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15118 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15119 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15120 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15121 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15122 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15123 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15124 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15125 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£40.30CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£15126 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£39.56CGC 10£67.16BGS 10£151
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.