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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£3.16
PSA 10£125
PSA 9£12.47
CGC 10£50.00
BGS 10£162
At a glance
30-day high£3.16
30-day low£3.16
Tracked high£4.16
Days tracked195
Price history
118 readings · 195d
HoloHawk awaiting data£3.160.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
19 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1620 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1624 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.16
£3.10£3.20£3.30
19 Oct19 Oct19 Oct23 Oct23 Oct26 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£3.160.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
26 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1627 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1628 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1629 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1630 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.161 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.162 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.163 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.164 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.165 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.166 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.167 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.168 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.169 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1610 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1611 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1612 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1613 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1614 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1615 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1620 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1624 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.16
£3.10£3.20£3.30
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HoloHawk awaiting data£3.16+90.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6615 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6616 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6617 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6618 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6619 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6620 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6621 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6622 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6623 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6624 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6625 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6626 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6627 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6628 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6629 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6630 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.661 May 2026PriceCharting£1.662 May 2026PriceCharting£1.663 May 2026PriceCharting£1.664 May 2026PriceCharting£1.665 May 2026PriceCharting£1.666 May 2026PriceCharting£1.667 May 2026PriceCharting£1.668 May 2026PriceCharting£1.669 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6610 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6611 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6612 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6613 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6614 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6615 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6616 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6617 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6618 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6619 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6620 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6621 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6622 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6623 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6624 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6625 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6626 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6627 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6628 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6629 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6630 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6631 May 2026PriceCharting£1.661 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.052 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.053 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.054 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.055 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.056 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.057 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.058 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.059 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0510 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0511 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0512 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0513 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0514 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0515 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0516 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0517 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.0518 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1619 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1620 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1621 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1622 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1623 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1624 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1625 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1626 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1627 Jun 2026PriceCharting£4.1628 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.9829 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.9830 Jun 2026PriceCharting£2.981 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.982 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.983 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.984 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.985 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.986 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.987 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.988 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.989 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9810 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9811 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9812 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9813 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9814 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9815 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9816 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9817 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9818 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9819 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2.9820 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1621 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1622 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1623 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1624 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1625 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1626 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1627 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1628 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1629 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1630 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.1631 Jul 2026PriceCharting£3.161 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.162 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.163 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.164 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.165 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.166 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.167 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.168 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.169 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1610 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1611 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1612 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1613 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1614 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1615 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1616 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1617 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1618 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1619 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1620 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1621 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1622 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1623 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1624 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1625 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1626 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1627 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1628 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1629 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1630 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.1631 Aug 2026PriceCharting£3.161 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.162 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.163 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.164 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.165 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.166 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.167 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.168 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.169 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1610 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1611 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1612 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1613 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1614 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1615 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1616 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1617 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1618 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1619 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1620 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1621 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1622 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1623 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1624 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1625 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1626 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1627 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1628 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1629 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.1630 Sept 2026PriceCharting£3.161 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.162 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.163 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.164 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.165 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.166 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.167 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.168 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.169 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1610 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1611 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1612 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1613 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1614 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1615 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1620 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1621 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1622 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1623 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1624 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1625 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.1626 Oct 2026PriceCharting£3.16
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£12515 Apr 2026PSA 10£12516 Apr 2026PSA 10£12517 Apr 2026PSA 10£12518 Apr 2026PSA 10£12519 Apr 2026PSA 10£12520 Apr 2026PSA 10£12521 Apr 2026PSA 10£12522 Apr 2026PSA 10£12523 Apr 2026PSA 10£12524 Apr 2026PSA 10£12525 Apr 2026PSA 10£12526 Apr 2026PSA 10£12527 Apr 2026PSA 10£12528 Apr 2026PSA 10£12529 Apr 2026PSA 10£12530 Apr 2026PSA 10£1251 May 2026PSA 10£1252 May 2026PSA 10£1253 May 2026PSA 10£1254 May 2026PSA 10£1255 May 2026PSA 10£1256 May 2026PSA 10£1257 May 2026PSA 10£1258 May 2026PSA 10£1259 May 2026PSA 10£12510 May 2026PSA 10£12511 May 2026PSA 10£12512 May 2026PSA 10£12513 May 2026PSA 10£12514 May 2026PSA 10£12515 May 2026PSA 10£12516 May 2026PSA 10£12517 May 2026PSA 10£12518 May 2026PSA 10£12519 May 2026PSA 10£12520 May 2026PSA 10£12521 May 2026PSA 10£12522 May 2026PSA 10£12523 May 2026PSA 10£12524 May 2026PSA 10£12525 May 2026PSA 10£12526 May 2026PSA 10£12527 May 2026PSA 10£12528 May 2026PSA 10£12529 May 2026PSA 10£12530 May 2026PSA 10£12531 May 2026PSA 10£1251 Jun 2026PSA 10£1252 Jun 2026PSA 10£1253 Jun 2026PSA 10£1254 Jun 2026PSA 10£1255 Jun 2026PSA 10£1256 Jun 2026PSA 10£1257 Jun 2026PSA 10£1258 Jun 2026PSA 10£1259 Jun 2026PSA 10£12510 Jun 2026PSA 10£12511 Jun 2026PSA 10£12512 Jun 2026PSA 10£12513 Jun 2026PSA 10£12514 Jun 2026PSA 10£12515 Jun 2026PSA 10£12516 Jun 2026PSA 10£12517 Jun 2026PSA 10£12518 Jun 2026PSA 10£12519 Jun 2026PSA 10£12520 Jun 2026PSA 10£12521 Jun 2026PSA 10£12522 Jun 2026PSA 10£12523 Jun 2026PSA 10£12524 Jun 2026PSA 10£12525 Jun 2026PSA 10£12526 Jun 2026PSA 10£12527 Jun 2026PSA 10£12528 Jun 2026PSA 10£12529 Jun 2026PSA 10£12530 Jun 2026PSA 10£1251 Jul 2026PSA 10£1252 Jul 2026PSA 10£1253 Jul 2026PSA 10£1254 Jul 2026PSA 10£1255 Jul 2026PSA 10£1256 Jul 2026PSA 10£1257 Jul 2026PSA 10£1258 Jul 2026PSA 10£1259 Jul 2026PSA 10£12510 Jul 2026PSA 10£12511 Jul 2026PSA 10£12512 Jul 2026PSA 10£12513 Jul 2026PSA 10£12514 Jul 2026PSA 10£12515 Jul 2026PSA 10£12516 Jul 2026PSA 10£12517 Jul 2026PSA 10£12518 Jul 2026PSA 10£12519 Jul 2026PSA 10£12520 Jul 2026PSA 10£12521 Jul 2026PSA 10£12522 Jul 2026PSA 10£12523 Jul 2026PSA 10£12524 Jul 2026PSA 10£12525 Jul 2026PSA 10£12526 Jul 2026PSA 10£12527 Jul 2026PSA 10£12528 Jul 2026PSA 10£12529 Jul 2026PSA 10£12530 Jul 2026PSA 10£12531 Jul 2026PSA 10£1251 Aug 2026PSA 10£1252 Aug 2026PSA 10£1253 Aug 2026PSA 10£1254 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.34CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1625 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.34CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1626 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.34CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1627 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1628 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1629 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16210 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16211 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16212 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16213 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16214 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16215 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16216 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.35CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16217 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16218 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16219 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16220 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16221 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16222 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16223 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16224 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16225 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16226 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.37CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16227 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16228 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16229 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16230 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16231 Aug 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1621 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1622 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1623 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1624 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1625 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.38CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1626 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1627 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1628 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1629 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16210 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16211 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16212 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16213 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16214 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16215 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.40CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16216 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16217 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16218 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16219 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16220 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16221 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16222 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16223 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16224 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16225 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.41CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16226 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16227 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16228 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16229 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16230 Sept 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1621 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1622 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1623 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1624 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1625 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1626 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1627 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1628 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£1629 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16210 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16211 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16212 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16213 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16214 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.43CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16215 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.44CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16216 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.44CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16217 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.44CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16218 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.44CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16219 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.46CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16220 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.46CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16221 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.46CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16222 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.46CGC 10£74.63BGS 10£16223 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.46CGC 10£50.00BGS 10£16224 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.46CGC 10£50.00BGS 10£16225 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.46CGC 10£50.00BGS 10£16226 Oct 2026PSA 10£125PSA 9£12.47CGC 10£50.00BGS 10£162
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.
