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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 35.9× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£17.05
PSA 10£612
PSA 9£67.17
CGC 10£245
BGS 10£795
A PSA 10 sells for 35.9× the raw card — a gap of £595. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£17.05
30-day low£17.05
Tracked high£17.05
Days tracked197
Price history
123 readings · 197d
HoloHawk awaiting data£17.050.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
21 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0524 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0525 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0526 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0527 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0528 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.05
£16.50£17.00£17.50
21 Oct21 Oct23 Oct23 Oct28 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£17.050.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0529 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0530 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.051 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.052 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.053 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.054 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.055 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.056 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.057 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.058 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.059 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0510 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0511 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0512 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0513 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0514 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0515 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0516 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0524 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0525 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0526 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0527 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0528 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.05
£16.50£17.00£17.50
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HoloHawk awaiting data£17.05+14.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9215 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9216 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9217 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9218 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9219 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9220 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9221 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9222 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9223 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9224 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9225 Apr 2026PriceCharting£14.9226 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.8527 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.8528 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.8529 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.8530 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.851 May 2026PriceCharting£15.852 May 2026PriceCharting£15.853 May 2026PriceCharting£15.994 May 2026PriceCharting£15.995 May 2026PriceCharting£15.996 May 2026PriceCharting£15.997 May 2026PriceCharting£15.998 May 2026PriceCharting£14.929 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9210 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9211 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9212 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9213 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9214 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9215 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9216 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9217 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9218 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9219 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9220 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9221 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9222 May 2026PriceCharting£14.9223 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9424 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9425 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9426 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9427 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9428 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9429 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9430 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9431 May 2026PriceCharting£15.261 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.262 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.263 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.264 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.265 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.266 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.267 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.648 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.649 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6410 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6411 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6412 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6413 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6414 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6415 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6416 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6417 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6818 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6819 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6820 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6821 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6822 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6823 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6824 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6825 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6826 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6827 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.6828 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.9529 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.9530 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15.951 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.952 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.203 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.204 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.205 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.206 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.207 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.208 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.209 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2010 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9911 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9912 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9913 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9914 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9915 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9916 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9917 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9918 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9919 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9920 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9921 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9922 Jul 2026PriceCharting£15.9923 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2324 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2325 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2326 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2327 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2328 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2329 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2330 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.2331 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16.231 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.232 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.233 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.234 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.235 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.406 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.407 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.408 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.409 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9910 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9911 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9912 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9913 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9914 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9915 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9916 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9917 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9918 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9919 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9920 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9921 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9922 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9923 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9924 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9925 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9926 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15.9927 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.6028 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.6029 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.6030 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.6031 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.601 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.602 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.603 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.604 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.605 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.606 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.607 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.608 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.609 Sept 2026PriceCharting£16.6010 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0511 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0512 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0513 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0514 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0515 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0516 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0517 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0518 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0519 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0520 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0521 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0522 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0523 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0524 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0525 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0526 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0527 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0528 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0529 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.0530 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17.051 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.052 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.053 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.054 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.055 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.056 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.057 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.058 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.059 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0510 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0511 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0512 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0513 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0514 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0515 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0516 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0517 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0518 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0519 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0520 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0521 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0522 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0523 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0524 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0525 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0526 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0527 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.0528 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17.05
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£51315 Apr 2026PSA 10£51316 Apr 2026PSA 10£51317 Apr 2026PSA 10£51318 Apr 2026PSA 10£51519 Apr 2026PSA 10£51520 Apr 2026PSA 10£51521 Apr 2026PSA 10£51522 Apr 2026PSA 10£51523 Apr 2026PSA 10£51524 Apr 2026PSA 10£51525 Apr 2026PSA 10£51526 Apr 2026PSA 10£51527 Apr 2026PSA 10£51528 Apr 2026PSA 10£51529 Apr 2026PSA 10£51530 Apr 2026PSA 10£5151 May 2026PSA 10£5152 May 2026PSA 10£5153 May 2026PSA 10£5474 May 2026PSA 10£5475 May 2026PSA 10£5476 May 2026PSA 10£5477 May 2026PSA 10£5478 May 2026PSA 10£5529 May 2026PSA 10£55210 May 2026PSA 10£55211 May 2026PSA 10£55212 May 2026PSA 10£55213 May 2026PSA 10£55214 May 2026PSA 10£55215 May 2026PSA 10£55216 May 2026PSA 10£51817 May 2026PSA 10£51818 May 2026PSA 10£51819 May 2026PSA 10£51820 May 2026PSA 10£51821 May 2026PSA 10£51822 May 2026PSA 10£51823 May 2026PSA 10£51924 May 2026PSA 10£51925 May 2026PSA 10£51926 May 2026PSA 10£51927 May 2026PSA 10£51928 May 2026PSA 10£51929 May 2026PSA 10£51930 May 2026PSA 10£51931 May 2026PSA 10£5541 Jun 2026PSA 10£5542 Jun 2026PSA 10£5543 Jun 2026PSA 10£5544 Jun 2026PSA 10£5545 Jun 2026PSA 10£5546 Jun 2026PSA 10£5547 Jun 2026PSA 10£5328 Jun 2026PSA 10£5329 Jun 2026PSA 10£53210 Jun 2026PSA 10£53211 Jun 2026PSA 10£53212 Jun 2026PSA 10£53213 Jun 2026PSA 10£53214 Jun 2026PSA 10£53215 Jun 2026PSA 10£53216 Jun 2026PSA 10£53217 Jun 2026PSA 10£54618 Jun 2026PSA 10£54619 Jun 2026PSA 10£54620 Jun 2026PSA 10£54621 Jun 2026PSA 10£54622 Jun 2026PSA 10£54623 Jun 2026PSA 10£54624 Jun 2026PSA 10£54625 Jun 2026PSA 10£54626 Jun 2026PSA 10£54627 Jun 2026PSA 10£54628 Jun 2026PSA 10£54929 Jun 2026PSA 10£54930 Jun 2026PSA 10£5491 Jul 2026PSA 10£5492 Jul 2026PSA 10£5583 Jul 2026PSA 10£5584 Jul 2026PSA 10£5585 Jul 2026PSA 10£5586 Jul 2026PSA 10£5587 Jul 2026PSA 10£5588 Jul 2026PSA 10£5589 Jul 2026PSA 10£55810 Jul 2026PSA 10£56711 Jul 2026PSA 10£56712 Jul 2026PSA 10£56713 Jul 2026PSA 10£56714 Jul 2026PSA 10£56715 Jul 2026PSA 10£56116 Jul 2026PSA 10£56117 Jul 2026PSA 10£56118 Jul 2026PSA 10£56119 Jul 2026PSA 10£56120 Jul 2026PSA 10£56121 Jul 2026PSA 10£56122 Jul 2026PSA 10£56123 Jul 2026PSA 10£56224 Jul 2026PSA 10£56225 Jul 2026PSA 10£56226 Jul 2026PSA 10£56227 Jul 2026PSA 10£56228 Jul 2026PSA 10£57129 Jul 2026PSA 10£57130 Jul 2026PSA 10£57131 Jul 2026PSA 10£5711 Aug 2026PSA 10£5712 Aug 2026PSA 10£5713 Aug 2026PSA 10£5714 Aug 2026PSA 10£571PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£343BGS 10£7435 Aug 2026PSA 10£572PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£343BGS 10£7436 Aug 2026PSA 10£572PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£343BGS 10£7437 Aug 2026PSA 10£572PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£343BGS 10£7438 Aug 2026PSA 10£572PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£343BGS 10£7439 Aug 2026PSA 10£579PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£347BGS 10£75210 Aug 2026PSA 10£579PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£347BGS 10£75211 Aug 2026PSA 10£579PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£347BGS 10£75212 Aug 2026PSA 10£579PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£347BGS 10£75213 Aug 2026PSA 10£579PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£347BGS 10£75214 Aug 2026PSA 10£565PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£339BGS 10£73415 Aug 2026PSA 10£565PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£339BGS 10£73416 Aug 2026PSA 10£565PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£339BGS 10£73417 Aug 2026PSA 10£565PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£339BGS 10£73418 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73519 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73520 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73521 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73522 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73523 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73524 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73525 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73526 Aug 2026PSA 10£566PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73527 Aug 2026PSA 10£567PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73728 Aug 2026PSA 10£567PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73729 Aug 2026PSA 10£567PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73730 Aug 2026PSA 10£567PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£73731 Aug 2026PSA 10£567PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£7371 Sept 2026PSA 10£567PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£340BGS 10£7372 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£353BGS 10£7653 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£353BGS 10£7654 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£353BGS 10£7655 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£353BGS 10£7656 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£353BGS 10£7657 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£353BGS 10£7658 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£353BGS 10£7659 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£353BGS 10£76510 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£354BGS 10£76611 Sept 2026PSA 10£589PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£354BGS 10£76612 Sept 2026PSA 10£605PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78713 Sept 2026PSA 10£605PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78714 Sept 2026PSA 10£605PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78715 Sept 2026PSA 10£605PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78716 Sept 2026PSA 10£605PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78717 Sept 2026PSA 10£605PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78718 Sept 2026PSA 10£606PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78819 Sept 2026PSA 10£606PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78820 Sept 2026PSA 10£606PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78821 Sept 2026PSA 10£606PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78822 Sept 2026PSA 10£606PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78823 Sept 2026PSA 10£606PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78824 Sept 2026PSA 10£606PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£363BGS 10£78825 Sept 2026PSA 10£607PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£364BGS 10£78926 Sept 2026PSA 10£607PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£364BGS 10£78927 Sept 2026PSA 10£607PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£364BGS 10£78928 Sept 2026PSA 10£607PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£364BGS 10£78929 Sept 2026PSA 10£607PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£364BGS 10£78930 Sept 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7901 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7902 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7903 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7904 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7905 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7906 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7907 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7908 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£7909 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£79010 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£79011 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£79012 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£79013 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£79014 Oct 2026PSA 10£608PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£365BGS 10£79015 Oct 2026PSA 10£609PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£366BGS 10£79316 Oct 2026PSA 10£609PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£366BGS 10£79317 Oct 2026PSA 10£609PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£366BGS 10£79318 Oct 2026PSA 10£609PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£366BGS 10£79319 Oct 2026PSA 10£609PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£366BGS 10£79320 Oct 2026PSA 10£610PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£366BGS 10£79321 Oct 2026PSA 10£610PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£366BGS 10£79322 Oct 2026PSA 10£610PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£366BGS 10£79323 Oct 2026PSA 10£611PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£244BGS 10£79424 Oct 2026PSA 10£611PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£244BGS 10£79425 Oct 2026PSA 10£611PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£244BGS 10£79426 Oct 2026PSA 10£611PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£244BGS 10£79427 Oct 2026PSA 10£611PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£244BGS 10£79428 Oct 2026PSA 10£612PSA 9£67.17CGC 10£245BGS 10£795
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.