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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 8.9× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£79.62
PSA 10£711
PSA 9£125
CGC 10£284
BGS 10£924
A PSA 10 sells for 8.9× the raw card — a gap of £631. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£79.62
30-day low£63.44
Tracked high£79.62
Days tracked199
IllustratorMisa Tsutsui
Pokédex145
Price history
118 readings · 199d
HoloHawk awaiting data£79.62+25.5%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4429 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4430 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.62
£65.00£70.00£75.00
23 Oct23 Oct23 Oct23 Oct30 Oct30 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£79.62+0.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
30 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.391 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.392 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.393 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.394 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.395 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.396 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.397 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.398 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.399 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3910 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3912 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3913 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3914 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3915 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4416 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4417 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4418 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4419 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4429 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4430 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.62
£65.00£70.00£75.00
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HoloHawk awaiting data£79.62+33.2%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7815 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7816 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7817 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7818 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7819 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7820 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7821 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7822 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7823 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7824 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7825 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7826 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7827 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7828 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7829 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.7830 Apr 2026PriceCharting£59.781 May 2026PriceCharting£59.782 May 2026PriceCharting£59.783 May 2026PriceCharting£59.784 May 2026PriceCharting£59.785 May 2026PriceCharting£59.786 May 2026PriceCharting£59.787 May 2026PriceCharting£59.788 May 2026PriceCharting£59.789 May 2026PriceCharting£59.7810 May 2026PriceCharting£59.7811 May 2026PriceCharting£59.7812 May 2026PriceCharting£59.7813 May 2026PriceCharting£59.7814 May 2026PriceCharting£59.7815 May 2026PriceCharting£59.7816 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2517 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2518 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2519 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2520 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2521 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2522 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2523 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2524 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2525 May 2026PriceCharting£65.2526 May 2026PriceCharting£64.3527 May 2026PriceCharting£64.3528 May 2026PriceCharting£64.3529 May 2026PriceCharting£64.3530 May 2026PriceCharting£64.3531 May 2026PriceCharting£64.351 Jun 2026PriceCharting£64.352 Jun 2026PriceCharting£64.353 Jun 2026PriceCharting£64.354 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.895 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.896 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.897 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.898 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.899 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.8910 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.8911 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.8912 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.8913 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.8914 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6715 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6716 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6717 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6718 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6719 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6720 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6721 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6722 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6723 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.6724 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.5625 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.5626 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.5627 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.5628 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.5629 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.5630 Jun 2026PriceCharting£63.561 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.562 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.563 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.564 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.445 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.446 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.447 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.448 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.449 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.4410 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.4411 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.4412 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.4413 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.4414 Jul 2026PriceCharting£63.4415 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5716 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5717 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5718 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5719 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5720 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5721 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5722 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5723 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5724 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.5725 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.1426 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.1427 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.1428 Jul 2026PriceCharting£62.1429 Jul 2026PriceCharting£61.9230 Jul 2026PriceCharting£61.9231 Jul 2026PriceCharting£61.921 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.922 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.923 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.924 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.925 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.926 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.927 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.818 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.819 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.8110 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.8111 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.8112 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.8113 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.8114 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.8115 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.8116 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7617 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7618 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7619 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7620 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7621 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7622 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7623 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7624 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7625 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7626 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7327 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7328 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7329 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7330 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.7331 Aug 2026PriceCharting£61.731 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.492 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.493 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.494 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.495 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.496 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.497 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.498 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.399 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3910 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3911 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3912 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3913 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3914 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3915 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3916 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3917 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3918 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3919 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3920 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3921 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3922 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3923 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3924 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3925 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3926 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3927 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3928 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3929 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.3930 Sept 2026PriceCharting£79.391 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.392 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.393 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.394 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.395 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.396 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.397 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.398 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.399 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3910 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3911 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3912 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3913 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3914 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.3915 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4416 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4417 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4418 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4419 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4429 Oct 2026PriceCharting£63.4430 Oct 2026PriceCharting£79.62
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£84615 Apr 2026PSA 10£84616 Apr 2026PSA 10£84617 Apr 2026PSA 10£84618 Apr 2026PSA 10£86219 Apr 2026PSA 10£86220 Apr 2026PSA 10£86221 Apr 2026PSA 10£86222 Apr 2026PSA 10£86223 Apr 2026PSA 10£86224 Apr 2026PSA 10£86225 Apr 2026PSA 10£86826 Apr 2026PSA 10£86827 Apr 2026PSA 10£86828 Apr 2026PSA 10£86829 Apr 2026PSA 10£86830 Apr 2026PSA 10£8681 May 2026PSA 10£8682 May 2026PSA 10£8683 May 2026PSA 10£8684 May 2026PSA 10£8685 May 2026PSA 10£8676 May 2026PSA 10£8677 May 2026PSA 10£8678 May 2026PSA 10£8679 May 2026PSA 10£86710 May 2026PSA 10£86711 May 2026PSA 10£86712 May 2026PSA 10£86713 May 2026PSA 10£86714 May 2026PSA 10£86715 May 2026PSA 10£86716 May 2026PSA 10£86417 May 2026PSA 10£86418 May 2026PSA 10£86419 May 2026PSA 10£86420 May 2026PSA 10£86421 May 2026PSA 10£86422 May 2026PSA 10£86423 May 2026PSA 10£86424 May 2026PSA 10£86425 May 2026PSA 10£86426 May 2026PSA 10£85527 May 2026PSA 10£85528 May 2026PSA 10£85529 May 2026PSA 10£85530 May 2026PSA 10£85531 May 2026PSA 10£8551 Jun 2026PSA 10£8552 Jun 2026PSA 10£8553 Jun 2026PSA 10£8554 Jun 2026PSA 10£8505 Jun 2026PSA 10£8506 Jun 2026PSA 10£8507 Jun 2026PSA 10£8508 Jun 2026PSA 10£8509 Jun 2026PSA 10£85010 Jun 2026PSA 10£85011 Jun 2026PSA 10£85012 Jun 2026PSA 10£85013 Jun 2026PSA 10£85014 Jun 2026PSA 10£84515 Jun 2026PSA 10£84516 Jun 2026PSA 10£84517 Jun 2026PSA 10£84518 Jun 2026PSA 10£84519 Jun 2026PSA 10£84520 Jun 2026PSA 10£84521 Jun 2026PSA 10£84522 Jun 2026PSA 10£84523 Jun 2026PSA 10£84524 Jun 2026PSA 10£84125 Jun 2026PSA 10£84126 Jun 2026PSA 10£84127 Jun 2026PSA 10£84128 Jun 2026PSA 10£84129 Jun 2026PSA 10£84130 Jun 2026PSA 10£8411 Jul 2026PSA 10£8412 Jul 2026PSA 10£8413 Jul 2026PSA 10£8414 Jul 2026PSA 10£8375 Jul 2026PSA 10£8376 Jul 2026PSA 10£8377 Jul 2026PSA 10£8378 Jul 2026PSA 10£8379 Jul 2026PSA 10£83710 Jul 2026PSA 10£83711 Jul 2026PSA 10£83712 Jul 2026PSA 10£83713 Jul 2026PSA 10£83714 Jul 2026PSA 10£83715 Jul 2026PSA 10£83316 Jul 2026PSA 10£83317 Jul 2026PSA 10£83318 Jul 2026PSA 10£83319 Jul 2026PSA 10£83320 Jul 2026PSA 10£83321 Jul 2026PSA 10£83322 Jul 2026PSA 10£83323 Jul 2026PSA 10£83324 Jul 2026PSA 10£83325 Jul 2026PSA 10£82926 Jul 2026PSA 10£82927 Jul 2026PSA 10£82928 Jul 2026PSA 10£82929 Jul 2026PSA 10£82830 Jul 2026PSA 10£82831 Jul 2026PSA 10£8281 Aug 2026PSA 10£8282 Aug 2026PSA 10£8283 Aug 2026PSA 10£8284 Aug 2026PSA 10£828PSA 9£123CGC 10£496BGS 10£1,0765 Aug 2026PSA 10£828PSA 9£123CGC 10£496BGS 10£1,0766 Aug 2026PSA 10£828PSA 9£123CGC 10£496BGS 10£1,0767 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,0728 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,0729 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,07210 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,07211 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,07212 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,07213 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,07214 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,07215 Aug 2026PSA 10£825PSA 9£123CGC 10£495BGS 10£1,07216 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92417 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92418 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92419 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92420 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92421 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92422 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92423 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92424 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92425 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£123CGC 10£427BGS 10£92426 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£92427 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£92428 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£92429 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£92430 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£92431 Aug 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£9241 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£9242 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£9243 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£9244 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£9245 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£9246 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£9247 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£146CGC 10£427BGS 10£9248 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£9249 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92410 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92411 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92412 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92413 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92414 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92415 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92416 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92417 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92418 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92419 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92420 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92421 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92422 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92423 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92424 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92425 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92426 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92427 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92428 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£160CGC 10£427BGS 10£92429 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£92430 Sept 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9241 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9242 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9243 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9244 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9245 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9246 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9247 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9248 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£9249 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£92410 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£92411 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£92412 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£92413 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£92414 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£151CGC 10£427BGS 10£92415 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£145CGC 10£427BGS 10£92416 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£145CGC 10£427BGS 10£92417 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£145CGC 10£427BGS 10£92418 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£145CGC 10£427BGS 10£92419 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£427BGS 10£92420 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£427BGS 10£92421 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£427BGS 10£92422 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£427BGS 10£92423 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£284BGS 10£92424 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£284BGS 10£92425 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£284BGS 10£92426 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£284BGS 10£92427 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£284BGS 10£92428 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£284BGS 10£92429 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£139CGC 10£284BGS 10£92430 Oct 2026PSA 10£711PSA 9£125CGC 10£284BGS 10£924
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.