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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 33.6× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£36.08
Grade 9£105
Grade 9.5£115
PSA 10£1,213
BGS 10£1,577
CGC 10£111
A PSA 10 sells for 33.6× the raw card — a gap of £1,177. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£36.08
30-day low£30.03
Tracked high£36.08
Days tracked138
Price history
114 readings · 138d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
20 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.8021 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.8022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.8023 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0824 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0825 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0826 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0828 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0829 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0830 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.08
£30.00£32.50£35.00
23 Aug23 Aug23 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.7229 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.7230 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.7231 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.461 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.462 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.463 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£31.464 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£32.825 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£32.826 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£32.827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£30.498 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£30.499 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0310 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0311 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0312 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0313 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0314 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£37.15PriceCharting£30.0315 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£30.0316 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1017 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1018 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1019 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1020 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1021 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0822 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0823 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0824 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0825 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0826 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0828 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0829 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0830 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.08
£30.00£32.50£35.00
31 Jul3 Aug9 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£22.1715 Apr 2026PriceCharting£22.1716 Apr 2026PriceCharting£22.1717 Apr 2026PriceCharting£23.1618 Apr 2026PriceCharting£23.1619 Apr 2026PriceCharting£23.1620 Apr 2026PriceCharting£23.1621 Apr 2026PriceCharting£23.1622 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.1223 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.1224 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.1225 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.1926 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.1927 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.1928 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.1929 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.1930 Apr 2026PriceCharting£25.871 May 2026PriceCharting£25.872 May 2026PriceCharting£25.873 May 2026PriceCharting£25.144 May 2026PriceCharting£25.145 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£19.95PriceCharting£25.146 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£19.95PriceCharting£25.147 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£19.95PriceCharting£25.148 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£19.95PriceCharting£25.149 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£19.95PriceCharting£25.7110 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£19.95PriceCharting£25.7111 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£19.95PriceCharting£25.7112 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0813 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0814 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0815 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0816 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0817 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0818 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0819 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0820 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0821 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0822 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0823 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0824 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£28.0825 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8726 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8727 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8728 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8729 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8730 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8731 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.871 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.872 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.873 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.874 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.875 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.876 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£26.487 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£26.488 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£26.489 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8910 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8911 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8912 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8913 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£22.52PriceCharting£25.8914 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.89PriceCharting£25.8915 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.89PriceCharting£25.8916 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£34.89PriceCharting£25.8917 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8918 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8919 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8920 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8921 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8922 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8923 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8724 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8725 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8726 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£25.8727 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£27.26PriceCharting£29.5628 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.5629 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.7230 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.721 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.722 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.723 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.724 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.725 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.726 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.827 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.828 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.829 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.5610 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.5611 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.5612 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£29.5613 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£30.6414 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£30.6415 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£30.6416 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£30.6417 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£30.6418 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£30.6419 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£33.1420 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£33.1421 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£33.1422 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£33.1423 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£33.1424 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£33.1425 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£33.1426 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£32.3327 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£32.3328 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£32.3329 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£32.3330 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£32.3331 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.461 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.462 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.72PriceCharting£31.463 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£31.464 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£32.825 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£32.826 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£32.827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£30.498 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£31.30PriceCharting£30.499 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0310 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0311 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0312 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0313 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£32.09PriceCharting£30.0314 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£37.15PriceCharting£30.0315 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£30.0316 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1017 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1018 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1019 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1020 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£35.1021 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0822 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0823 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0824 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0825 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0826 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£35.80PriceCharting£36.0827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0828 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0829 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.0830 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£29.91PriceCharting£36.08
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HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £1,213
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£31815 Apr 2026PSA 10£31816 Apr 2026PSA 10£31817 Apr 2026PSA 10£31818 Apr 2026PSA 10£31819 Apr 2026PSA 10£31820 Apr 2026PSA 10£31821 Apr 2026PSA 10£31822 Apr 2026PSA 10£31823 Apr 2026PSA 10£31824 Apr 2026PSA 10£31825 Apr 2026PSA 10£31826 Apr 2026PSA 10£31827 Apr 2026PSA 10£31828 Apr 2026PSA 10£31829 Apr 2026PSA 10£31830 Apr 2026PSA 10£3181 May 2026PSA 10£3182 May 2026PSA 10£3183 May 2026PSA 10£3184 May 2026PSA 10£3185 May 2026PSA 10£3186 May 2026PSA 10£3187 May 2026PSA 10£3188 May 2026PSA 10£3189 May 2026PSA 10£31810 May 2026PSA 10£31811 May 2026PSA 10£31812 May 2026PSA 10£31813 May 2026PSA 10£31814 May 2026PSA 10£31815 May 2026PSA 10£31816 May 2026PSA 10£31817 May 2026PSA 10£31818 May 2026PSA 10£31819 May 2026PSA 10£31820 May 2026PSA 10£31821 May 2026PSA 10£31822 May 2026PSA 10£31823 May 2026PSA 10£31824 May 2026PSA 10£31825 May 2026PSA 10£31826 May 2026PSA 10£31827 May 2026PSA 10£31828 May 2026PSA 10£31829 May 2026PSA 10£31830 May 2026PSA 10£31831 May 2026PSA 10£3181 Jun 2026PSA 10£3182 Jun 2026PSA 10£3183 Jun 2026PSA 10£3184 Jun 2026PSA 10£3185 Jun 2026PSA 10£3186 Jun 2026PSA 10£3187 Jun 2026PSA 10£3188 Jun 2026PSA 10£3189 Jun 2026PSA 10£51910 Jun 2026PSA 10£51911 Jun 2026PSA 10£91312 Jun 2026PSA 10£91313 Jun 2026PSA 10£91314 Jun 2026PSA 10£91315 Jun 2026PSA 10£91316 Jun 2026PSA 10£92917 Jun 2026PSA 10£92918 Jun 2026PSA 10£92919 Jun 2026PSA 10£92920 Jun 2026PSA 10£92921 Jun 2026PSA 10£92922 Jun 2026PSA 10£92923 Jun 2026PSA 10£92924 Jun 2026PSA 10£92925 Jun 2026PSA 10£92926 Jun 2026PSA 10£92927 Jun 2026PSA 10£92928 Jun 2026PSA 10£92929 Jun 2026PSA 10£92930 Jun 2026PSA 10£9291 Jul 2026PSA 10£9292 Jul 2026PSA 10£9293 Jul 2026PSA 10£9254 Jul 2026PSA 10£9255 Jul 2026PSA 10£9256 Jul 2026PSA 10£9247 Jul 2026PSA 10£9248 Jul 2026PSA 10£9249 Jul 2026PSA 10£92410 Jul 2026PSA 10£92411 Jul 2026PSA 10£92412 Jul 2026PSA 10£92413 Jul 2026PSA 10£92114 Jul 2026PSA 10£92115 Jul 2026PSA 10£92116 Jul 2026PSA 10£92117 Jul 2026PSA 10£92118 Jul 2026PSA 10£92119 Jul 2026PSA 10£91520 Jul 2026PSA 10£91521 Jul 2026PSA 10£91522 Jul 2026PSA 10£91523 Jul 2026PSA 10£91524 Jul 2026PSA 10£91525 Jul 2026PSA 10£91526 Jul 2026PSA 10£91027 Jul 2026PSA 10£91028 Jul 2026PSA 10£91029 Jul 2026PSA 10£91030 Jul 2026PSA 10£91031 Jul 2026PSA 10£9051 Aug 2026PSA 10£9052 Aug 2026PSA 10£9053 Aug 2026PSA 10£9054 Aug 2026PSA 10£901Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£112BGS 10£1,171CGC 10£1115 Aug 2026PSA 10£901Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£112BGS 10£1,171CGC 10£1116 Aug 2026PSA 10£901Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£112BGS 10£1,171CGC 10£1117 Aug 2026PSA 10£898Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,168CGC 10£1118 Aug 2026PSA 10£898Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,168CGC 10£1119 Aug 2026PSA 10£896Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,164CGC 10£11110 Aug 2026PSA 10£896Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,164CGC 10£11111 Aug 2026PSA 10£896Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,164CGC 10£11112 Aug 2026PSA 10£896Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,164CGC 10£11113 Aug 2026PSA 10£896Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,164CGC 10£11114 Aug 2026PSA 10£896Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,164CGC 10£11115 Aug 2026PSA 10£896Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,164CGC 10£11116 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11117 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11118 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11119 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11120 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11121 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11122 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£124Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11123 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11124 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11125 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11126 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11127 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11128 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11129 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£123Grade 9£113BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£11130 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,213Grade 9.5£115Grade 9£105BGS 10£1,577CGC 10£111
£500£1,000£1,500
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
3 Aug 2026New listings/day14 Aug 2026New listings/day05 Aug 2026New listings/day06 Aug 2026New listings/day07 Aug 2026New listings/day08 Aug 2026New listings/day09 Aug 2026New listings/day110 Aug 2026New listings/day011 Aug 2026New listings/day012 Aug 2026New listings/day013 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day115 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day128 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day031 Aug 2026New listings/day0
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New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Building
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
3 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.