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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£0.18
Grade 9£9.75
Grade 9.5£11.08
PSA 10£29.54
BGS 10£38.41
CGC 10£17.73
At a glance
30-day high£0.23
30-day low£0.14
Tracked high£0.35
Days tracked138
IllustratorSekio
Pokédex44
Price history
111 readings · 138d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
17 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0718 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0719 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0720 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0721 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0722 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0723 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2124 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2126 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2127 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2128 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2129 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2130 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.18
£0.50£1.00
23 Aug23 Aug23 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
25 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0726 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0727 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0728 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0729 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0730 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.0731 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.181 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.182 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.183 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.184 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.145 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.146 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.147 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.148 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.149 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1413 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1414 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2315 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2316 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2317 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2318 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2322 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2323 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2124 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2126 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2127 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2128 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2129 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2130 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.18
£0.50£1.00
31 Jul2 Aug4 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1815 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1816 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1917 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1918 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1919 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1920 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1621 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1622 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1623 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1624 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1625 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1626 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1627 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1628 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1629 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.1630 Apr 2026PriceCharting£0.241 May 2026PriceCharting£0.242 May 2026PriceCharting£0.243 May 2026PriceCharting£0.224 May 2026PriceCharting£0.225 May 2026PriceCharting£0.226 May 2026PriceCharting£0.227 May 2026PriceCharting£0.228 May 2026PriceCharting£0.229 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1810 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1811 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1812 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1813 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1814 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1815 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1816 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1817 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1818 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1819 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1820 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1821 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1822 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1823 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1824 May 2026PriceCharting£0.1825 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2226 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2227 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2228 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2229 May 2026PriceCharting£0.2230 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2131 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.211 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.212 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.213 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.214 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.215 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.216 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.217 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.188 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.189 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1810 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1811 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1812 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1813 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1814 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1815 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1816 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1817 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1818 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1819 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1820 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2121 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2122 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2123 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2124 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2125 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1826 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1827 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1828 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1829 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1830 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.181 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.182 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.183 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.184 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.185 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.186 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.207 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.208 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.209 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2010 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2011 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2012 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1813 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1814 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1815 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1816 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1817 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1818 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1519 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1520 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1521 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1522 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1523 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1524 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.3525 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.3526 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.3527 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.3528 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.3529 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.3530 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1831 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.181 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.182 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.183 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.184 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.145 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.146 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.147 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.148 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.149 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1413 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.1414 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2315 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2316 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2317 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2318 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2322 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2323 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.07PriceCharting£0.2124 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2125 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2126 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2127 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2128 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2129 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.2130 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.04PriceCharting£0.18
£0.50£1.00
14 Apr23 May1 Jul30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £29.54
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5415 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5416 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5417 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5418 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5419 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5420 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5421 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5422 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5423 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5424 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5425 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5426 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5427 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5428 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5429 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.5430 Apr 2026PSA 10£29.541 May 2026PSA 10£29.542 May 2026PSA 10£29.543 May 2026PSA 10£29.544 May 2026PSA 10£29.545 May 2026PSA 10£29.546 May 2026PSA 10£29.547 May 2026PSA 10£29.548 May 2026PSA 10£29.549 May 2026PSA 10£29.5410 May 2026PSA 10£29.5411 May 2026PSA 10£29.5412 May 2026PSA 10£29.5413 May 2026PSA 10£29.5414 May 2026PSA 10£29.5415 May 2026PSA 10£29.5416 May 2026PSA 10£29.5417 May 2026PSA 10£29.5418 May 2026PSA 10£29.5419 May 2026PSA 10£29.5420 May 2026PSA 10£29.5421 May 2026PSA 10£29.5422 May 2026PSA 10£29.5423 May 2026PSA 10£29.5424 May 2026PSA 10£29.5425 May 2026PSA 10£29.5426 May 2026PSA 10£29.5427 May 2026PSA 10£29.5428 May 2026PSA 10£29.5429 May 2026PSA 10£29.5430 May 2026PSA 10£29.5431 May 2026PSA 10£29.541 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.542 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.543 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.544 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.545 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.546 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.547 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.548 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.549 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5410 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5411 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5412 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5413 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5414 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5415 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5416 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5417 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5418 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5419 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5420 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5421 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5422 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5423 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5424 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5425 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5426 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5427 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5428 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5429 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.5430 Jun 2026PSA 10£29.541 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.542 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.543 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.544 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.545 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.546 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.547 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.548 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.549 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5410 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5411 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5412 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5413 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5414 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5415 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5416 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5417 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5418 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5419 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5420 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5421 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5422 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5423 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5424 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5425 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5426 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5427 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5428 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5429 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5430 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.5431 Jul 2026PSA 10£29.541 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.542 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.543 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.544 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.735 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.736 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.737 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.738 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.739 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7310 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7311 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7312 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7313 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7314 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7315 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7316 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7317 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7318 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7319 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7320 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7321 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7322 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7323 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7324 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7325 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7326 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7327 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7328 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7329 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.7330 Aug 2026PSA 10£29.54Grade 9.5£11.08Grade 9£9.75BGS 10£38.41CGC 10£17.73
£10.00£20.00£30.00
14 Apr23 May1 Jul30 Aug
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
7 Aug 2026New listings/day18 Aug 2026New listings/day09 Aug 2026New listings/day010 Aug 2026New listings/day011 Aug 2026New listings/day012 Aug 2026New listings/day013 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day125 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day028 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day0
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7 Aug15 Aug22 Aug30 Aug
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
1 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.