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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£1.25
Grade 9£11.20
Grade 9.5£12.56
PSA 10£138
BGS 10£180
CGC 10£7.29
At a glance
30-day high£1.39
30-day low£1.11
Tracked high£2.35
Days tracked140
IllustratorAyaka Yoshida
Pokédex124
Price history
118 readings · 140d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
18 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.1219 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.1220 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.1221 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.1222 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.1223 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.1224 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.0925 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.2926 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1127 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1128 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1129 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1130 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1731 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.171 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.25
£1.50£2.00
25 Aug26 Aug30 Aug1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
26 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.3627 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.3628 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.3629 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.3630 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.3631 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.361 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.362 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.393 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.394 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.395 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.396 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.307 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.308 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.309 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3010 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3011 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3212 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3213 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3214 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.14PriceCharting£1.1715 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.14PriceCharting£1.1716 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.1717 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.1718 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.2922 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.2923 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.2924 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.2925 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.2926 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1127 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1128 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1129 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1130 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1731 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.171 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.25
£1.50£2.00
2 Aug6 Aug21 Aug1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4015 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5416 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5417 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5418 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4019 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.4020 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.3521 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.3522 Apr 2026PriceCharting£2.3523 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1124 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1125 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1126 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1127 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5128 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5129 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5130 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.661 May 2026PriceCharting£1.662 May 2026PriceCharting£1.663 May 2026PriceCharting£1.644 May 2026PriceCharting£1.645 May 2026PriceCharting£1.646 May 2026PriceCharting£1.367 May 2026PriceCharting£1.368 May 2026PriceCharting£1.369 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5510 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5511 May 2026PriceCharting£1.5512 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6013 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6014 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6015 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6016 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4717 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4718 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4719 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4720 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4721 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6622 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6623 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6624 May 2026PriceCharting£1.6625 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4726 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4727 May 2026PriceCharting£1.3928 May 2026PriceCharting£1.3929 May 2026PriceCharting£1.3930 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4731 May 2026PriceCharting£1.471 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.472 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.523 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.524 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.525 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.436 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.437 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.438 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.439 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3010 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3011 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.6612 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.6613 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.6614 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.6415 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.6416 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.6417 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.2918 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.2919 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.2920 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3721 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3722 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3723 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3724 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3725 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3726 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3727 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.4528 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.4529 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.5930 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.591 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.592 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.173 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.174 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.175 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.116 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.117 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.118 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.119 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.4710 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.4711 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3212 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3213 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3214 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.5415 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.5416 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.5417 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.5418 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3919 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3920 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.2421 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.2422 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.2423 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.2424 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.1825 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.1826 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.1827 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.1828 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.1229 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.1230 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.1731 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.171 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.172 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.393 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.394 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.395 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.396 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.307 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.308 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.309 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3010 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3011 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.36PriceCharting£1.3212 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3213 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3214 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.14PriceCharting£1.1715 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.14PriceCharting£1.1716 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.1717 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.1718 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.3321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.2922 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.2923 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.12PriceCharting£1.2924 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.2925 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.2926 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1127 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1128 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1129 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1130 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.1731 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.171 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£2.09PriceCharting£1.25
£1.50£2.00
14 Apr26 May6 Jul1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £138
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5615 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5616 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5617 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5618 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5619 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5620 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5621 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5622 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5623 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5624 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5625 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5626 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5627 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5628 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5629 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5630 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.561 May 2026PSA 10£46.562 May 2026PSA 10£46.563 May 2026PSA 10£46.664 May 2026PSA 10£46.665 May 2026PSA 10£46.666 May 2026PSA 10£46.667 May 2026PSA 10£46.668 May 2026PSA 10£46.669 May 2026PSA 10£46.6310 May 2026PSA 10£46.6311 May 2026PSA 10£46.6312 May 2026PSA 10£46.6013 May 2026PSA 10£46.6014 May 2026PSA 10£46.6015 May 2026PSA 10£46.6016 May 2026PSA 10£46.5817 May 2026PSA 10£46.5818 May 2026PSA 10£46.5719 May 2026PSA 10£46.5720 May 2026PSA 10£46.5721 May 2026PSA 10£46.5722 May 2026PSA 10£46.5723 May 2026PSA 10£46.5724 May 2026PSA 10£46.5725 May 2026PSA 10£46.5726 May 2026PSA 10£46.5727 May 2026PSA 10£46.5728 May 2026PSA 10£46.5729 May 2026PSA 10£46.5730 May 2026PSA 10£46.5731 May 2026PSA 10£46.571 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.572 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.573 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.574 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.575 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.576 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.577 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.578 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.579 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.5710 Jun 2026PSA 10£46.5711 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7112 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7113 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7114 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7115 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7116 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7117 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7118 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7119 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.7120 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.5321 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.5322 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.5323 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.3824 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.3825 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.3826 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.3827 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.2428 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.2429 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.1330 Jun 2026PSA 10£61.131 Jul 2026PSA 10£61.132 Jul 2026PSA 10£61.023 Jul 2026PSA 10£61.024 Jul 2026PSA 10£61.025 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.916 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.917 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.918 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.919 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.8110 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.8111 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.7112 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.7113 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.7114 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.6215 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.6216 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.6217 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.6218 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.5319 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.5320 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.4521 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.4522 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.4523 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.4524 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.3525 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.3526 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.3527 Jul 2026PSA 10£60.3528 Jul 2026PSA 10£15029 Jul 2026PSA 10£15030 Jul 2026PSA 10£15231 Jul 2026PSA 10£1521 Aug 2026PSA 10£1522 Aug 2026PSA 10£1523 Aug 2026PSA 10£1524 Aug 2026PSA 10£152Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.34BGS 10£198CGC 10£91.645 Aug 2026PSA 10£152Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.34BGS 10£198CGC 10£91.646 Aug 2026PSA 10£152Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.31BGS 10£198CGC 10£91.647 Aug 2026PSA 10£152Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.31BGS 10£198CGC 10£91.648 Aug 2026PSA 10£134Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.29BGS 10£174CGC 10£7.509 Aug 2026PSA 10£134Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.29BGS 10£174CGC 10£7.5010 Aug 2026PSA 10£134Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.29BGS 10£174CGC 10£7.5011 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.26BGS 10£179CGC 10£7.3212 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.26BGS 10£179CGC 10£7.3213 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.26BGS 10£179CGC 10£7.3214 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.25BGS 10£179CGC 10£7.3015 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.25BGS 10£179CGC 10£7.3016 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.25BGS 10£179CGC 10£7.3017 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.25BGS 10£179CGC 10£7.3018 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.23BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2919 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.23BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2920 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.23BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2921 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.23BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2922 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.23BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2923 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.21BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2924 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.21BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2925 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.21BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2926 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.20BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2927 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.20BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2928 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.20BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2929 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.20BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2930 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.20BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.2931 Aug 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.20BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.291 Sept 2026PSA 10£138Grade 9.5£12.56Grade 9£11.20BGS 10£180CGC 10£7.29
£100
14 Apr26 May6 Jul1 Sept
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
12 Aug 2026New listings/day113 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day115 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day117 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day125 Aug 2026New listings/day126 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day028 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day031 Aug 2026New listings/day0
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12 Aug18 Aug25 Aug31 Aug
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Building
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
5 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.