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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 10.8× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£91.74
Grade 9£150
Grade 9.5£303
PSA 10£992
BGS 10£1,390
CGC 10£278
A PSA 10 sells for 10.8× the raw card — a gap of £900. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£70.42
30-day low£62.88
Tracked high£70.42
Days tracked141
IllustratorNaoki Saito
Pokédex384
Price history
118 readings · 141d
£69.80+5.8%HoloHawk£91.74+0.2%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
24 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.9525 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.9526 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6827 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6828 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6829 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£94.1930 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£94.1931 Aug 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£94.191 Sept 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£94.192 Sept 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£91.74
£70.00£80.00£90.00
24 Aug25 Aug27 Aug29 Aug30 Aug31 Aug
£69.80-0.9%HoloHawk£91.74+2.1%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
1 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.422 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.423 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.854 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.855 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.266 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.267 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£89.268 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£89.269 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£88.5610 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£88.5611 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£88.5612 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£89.0013 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£89.0014 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£76.1615 Aug 2026HoloHawk£62.88PriceCharting£76.1616 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.60PriceCharting£76.1617 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.60PriceCharting£75.8718 Aug 2026HoloHawk£69.40PriceCharting£75.8719 Aug 2026HoloHawk£69.40PriceCharting£75.8720 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£75.8721 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£91.6022 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£91.6023 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£91.6024 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£91.6025 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£91.6026 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6827 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6828 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6829 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£94.1930 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£94.1931 Aug 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£94.191 Sept 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£94.192 Sept 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£91.74
£70.00£80.00£90.00
1 Aug7 Aug15 Aug22 Aug27 Aug31 Aug
£69.80+52.4%HoloHawk£91.74+76.7%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£51.9115 Apr 2026PriceCharting£48.2116 Apr 2026PriceCharting£48.2117 Apr 2026HoloHawk£45.80PriceCharting£48.2118 Apr 2026HoloHawk£45.80PriceCharting£50.4819 Apr 2026HoloHawk£45.80PriceCharting£50.4820 Apr 2026HoloHawk£48.47PriceCharting£50.4821 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£50.4822 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£50.4823 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£50.4824 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£48.2125 Apr 2026HoloHawk£54.26PriceCharting£48.2126 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£48.2127 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£51.9228 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£51.9229 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£51.9230 Apr 2026HoloHawk£55.04PriceCharting£51.921 May 2026HoloHawk£38.14PriceCharting£51.922 May 2026HoloHawk£38.14PriceCharting£51.923 May 2026HoloHawk£38.14PriceCharting£54.944 May 2026HoloHawk£38.14PriceCharting£54.945 May 2026HoloHawk£38.14PriceCharting£54.946 May 2026HoloHawk£44.30PriceCharting£54.567 May 2026HoloHawk£44.30PriceCharting£54.568 May 2026HoloHawk£44.26PriceCharting£54.569 May 2026HoloHawk£44.26PriceCharting£54.5610 May 2026HoloHawk£44.26PriceCharting£54.5611 May 2026HoloHawk£44.26PriceCharting£54.5612 May 2026HoloHawk£44.26PriceCharting£54.5613 May 2026HoloHawk£42.81PriceCharting£54.2214 May 2026HoloHawk£39.84PriceCharting£54.2215 May 2026HoloHawk£39.84PriceCharting£54.2216 May 2026HoloHawk£41.92PriceCharting£55.2317 May 2026HoloHawk£59.25PriceCharting£55.2318 May 2026HoloHawk£42.82PriceCharting£55.2319 May 2026HoloHawk£41.26PriceCharting£53.8420 May 2026HoloHawk£41.26PriceCharting£53.8421 May 2026HoloHawk£41.26PriceCharting£55.6022 May 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£55.6023 May 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£55.6024 May 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£55.6025 May 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£55.6026 May 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£55.6027 May 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£54.5028 May 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£54.5029 May 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£54.5030 May 2026HoloHawk£44.81PriceCharting£59.5331 May 2026HoloHawk£44.81PriceCharting£59.531 Jun 2026HoloHawk£44.81PriceCharting£59.532 Jun 2026HoloHawk£49.95PriceCharting£59.533 Jun 2026HoloHawk£49.95PriceCharting£60.394 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.89PriceCharting£60.395 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.89PriceCharting£61.386 Jun 2026HoloHawk£52.61PriceCharting£61.387 Jun 2026HoloHawk£52.61PriceCharting£61.388 Jun 2026HoloHawk£44.97PriceCharting£61.389 Jun 2026HoloHawk£44.98PriceCharting£61.3810 Jun 2026HoloHawk£44.98PriceCharting£61.3811 Jun 2026HoloHawk£44.98PriceCharting£63.0412 Jun 2026HoloHawk£44.98PriceCharting£63.0413 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.01PriceCharting£67.4914 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.01PriceCharting£67.4915 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.01PriceCharting£67.4916 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.01PriceCharting£68.9117 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.01PriceCharting£68.9118 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.01PriceCharting£68.9119 Jun 2026HoloHawk£57.01PriceCharting£68.9120 Jun 2026HoloHawk£53.43PriceCharting£63.7821 Jun 2026HoloHawk£53.43PriceCharting£63.7822 Jun 2026HoloHawk£53.43PriceCharting£63.7823 Jun 2026HoloHawk£53.43PriceCharting£69.7724 Jun 2026HoloHawk£53.43PriceCharting£69.7725 Jun 2026HoloHawk£53.43PriceCharting£74.7226 Jun 2026HoloHawk£53.43PriceCharting£74.7227 Jun 2026HoloHawk£53.43PriceCharting£74.7228 Jun 2026HoloHawk£50.31PriceCharting£73.4329 Jun 2026HoloHawk£50.31PriceCharting£73.4330 Jun 2026HoloHawk£50.31PriceCharting£73.431 Jul 2026HoloHawk£56.86PriceCharting£81.582 Jul 2026HoloHawk£56.86PriceCharting£81.583 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£81.584 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£81.585 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£85.546 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£85.547 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£85.548 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£72.319 Jul 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£72.3110 Jul 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£72.3111 Jul 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£76.2412 Jul 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£76.2413 Jul 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£75.4614 Jul 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£75.4615 Jul 2026HoloHawk£45.94PriceCharting£75.4616 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£77.4217 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£77.4218 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£77.4219 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£77.4220 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£72.1321 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£89.3722 Jul 2026HoloHawk£43.60PriceCharting£89.3723 Jul 2026HoloHawk£48.15PriceCharting£89.3724 Jul 2026HoloHawk£48.15PriceCharting£81.9525 Jul 2026HoloHawk£48.15PriceCharting£81.9526 Jul 2026HoloHawk£48.15PriceCharting£81.9527 Jul 2026HoloHawk£48.15PriceCharting£81.9528 Jul 2026HoloHawk£48.15PriceCharting£78.3829 Jul 2026HoloHawk£48.15PriceCharting£78.3830 Jul 2026HoloHawk£48.15PriceCharting£78.3831 Jul 2026HoloHawk£70.41PriceCharting£91.221 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£91.222 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.853 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.854 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.855 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.266 Aug 2026HoloHawk£70.42PriceCharting£89.267 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£89.268 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£89.269 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£88.5610 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£88.5611 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£88.5612 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£89.0013 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£89.0014 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£76.1615 Aug 2026HoloHawk£62.88PriceCharting£76.1616 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.60PriceCharting£76.1617 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.60PriceCharting£75.8718 Aug 2026HoloHawk£69.40PriceCharting£75.8719 Aug 2026HoloHawk£69.40PriceCharting£75.8720 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£75.8721 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£91.6022 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£91.6023 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£91.6024 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£91.6025 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£91.6026 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6827 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6828 Aug 2026HoloHawk£65.95PriceCharting£95.6829 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£94.1930 Aug 2026HoloHawk£68.45PriceCharting£94.1931 Aug 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£94.191 Sept 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£94.192 Sept 2026HoloHawk£69.80PriceCharting£91.74
£40.00£60.00£80.00
14 Apr8 May5 Jun28 Jun22 Jul2 Sept
Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover for any day. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£65715 Apr 2026PSA 10£65716 Apr 2026PSA 10£65717 Apr 2026PSA 10£65718 Apr 2026PSA 10£70319 Apr 2026PSA 10£70320 Apr 2026PSA 10£70321 Apr 2026PSA 10£70322 Apr 2026PSA 10£76923 Apr 2026PSA 10£76924 Apr 2026PSA 10£76925 Apr 2026PSA 10£76926 Apr 2026PSA 10£76927 Apr 2026PSA 10£77928 Apr 2026PSA 10£77929 Apr 2026PSA 10£77930 Apr 2026PSA 10£7791 May 2026PSA 10£8622 May 2026PSA 10£8623 May 2026PSA 10£8624 May 2026PSA 10£8625 May 2026PSA 10£8626 May 2026PSA 10£9817 May 2026PSA 10£9818 May 2026PSA 10£9819 May 2026PSA 10£98110 May 2026PSA 10£1,02011 May 2026PSA 10£1,02012 May 2026PSA 10£1,02013 May 2026PSA 10£1,07514 May 2026PSA 10£1,07515 May 2026PSA 10£1,07516 May 2026PSA 10£96417 May 2026PSA 10£96418 May 2026PSA 10£96419 May 2026PSA 10£1,05920 May 2026PSA 10£1,05921 May 2026PSA 10£1,08222 May 2026PSA 10£1,08223 May 2026PSA 10£1,08224 May 2026PSA 10£1,08225 May 2026PSA 10£1,07526 May 2026PSA 10£1,07527 May 2026PSA 10£1,06328 May 2026PSA 10£1,06329 May 2026PSA 10£1,06330 May 2026PSA 10£1,05131 May 2026PSA 10£1,0511 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,0512 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,0513 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,0384 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,0385 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,0386 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,0387 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,0388 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,0389 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03810 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03811 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03812 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03813 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03814 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03815 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03816 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,02917 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,02918 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,02919 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,02920 Jun 2026PSA 10£99121 Jun 2026PSA 10£99122 Jun 2026PSA 10£99123 Jun 2026PSA 10£99024 Jun 2026PSA 10£99025 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03226 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03227 Jun 2026PSA 10£1,03228 Jun 2026PSA 10£95729 Jun 2026PSA 10£95730 Jun 2026PSA 10£9571 Jul 2026PSA 10£9572 Jul 2026PSA 10£9573 Jul 2026PSA 10£9574 Jul 2026PSA 10£9575 Jul 2026PSA 10£9606 Jul 2026PSA 10£9607 Jul 2026PSA 10£9608 Jul 2026PSA 10£9599 Jul 2026PSA 10£95910 Jul 2026PSA 10£95911 Jul 2026PSA 10£94612 Jul 2026PSA 10£94613 Jul 2026PSA 10£94614 Jul 2026PSA 10£94615 Jul 2026PSA 10£94616 Jul 2026PSA 10£92817 Jul 2026PSA 10£92818 Jul 2026PSA 10£92819 Jul 2026PSA 10£92820 Jul 2026PSA 10£94621 Jul 2026PSA 10£93622 Jul 2026PSA 10£93623 Jul 2026PSA 10£93624 Jul 2026PSA 10£92725 Jul 2026PSA 10£92726 Jul 2026PSA 10£92727 Jul 2026PSA 10£92728 Jul 2026PSA 10£92729 Jul 2026PSA 10£92730 Jul 2026PSA 10£92731 Jul 2026PSA 10£9901 Aug 2026PSA 10£9902 Aug 2026PSA 10£9473 Aug 2026PSA 10£9474 Aug 2026PSA 10£947Grade 9.5£283Grade 9£174BGS 10£1,409CGC 10£2945 Aug 2026PSA 10£947Grade 9.5£297Grade 9£174BGS 10£1,407CGC 10£2936 Aug 2026PSA 10£947Grade 9.5£297Grade 9£174BGS 10£1,407CGC 10£2937 Aug 2026PSA 10£947Grade 9.5£297Grade 9£174BGS 10£1,407CGC 10£2938 Aug 2026PSA 10£947Grade 9.5£297Grade 9£174BGS 10£1,407CGC 10£2939 Aug 2026PSA 10£942Grade 9.5£300Grade 9£161BGS 10£1,405CGC 10£29310 Aug 2026PSA 10£942Grade 9.5£300Grade 9£161BGS 10£1,405CGC 10£29311 Aug 2026PSA 10£942Grade 9.5£300Grade 9£161BGS 10£1,405CGC 10£29312 Aug 2026PSA 10£955Grade 9.5£302Grade 9£160BGS 10£1,403CGC 10£29313 Aug 2026PSA 10£955Grade 9.5£302Grade 9£160BGS 10£1,403CGC 10£29314 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£170BGS 10£1,401CGC 10£29315 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£170BGS 10£1,401CGC 10£29316 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£170BGS 10£1,401CGC 10£29317 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£159BGS 10£1,399CGC 10£29318 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£159BGS 10£1,399CGC 10£29319 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£159BGS 10£1,399CGC 10£29320 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£159BGS 10£1,399CGC 10£29321 Aug 2026PSA 10£999Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£154BGS 10£1,398CGC 10£29322 Aug 2026PSA 10£999Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£154BGS 10£1,398CGC 10£29323 Aug 2026PSA 10£999Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£154BGS 10£1,398CGC 10£29324 Aug 2026PSA 10£983Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£146BGS 10£1,396CGC 10£29325 Aug 2026PSA 10£983Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£146BGS 10£1,396CGC 10£29326 Aug 2026PSA 10£983Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£149BGS 10£1,394CGC 10£27827 Aug 2026PSA 10£983Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£149BGS 10£1,394CGC 10£27828 Aug 2026PSA 10£983Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£149BGS 10£1,394CGC 10£27829 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£150BGS 10£1,392CGC 10£27830 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£150BGS 10£1,392CGC 10£27831 Aug 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£150BGS 10£1,392CGC 10£2781 Sept 2026PSA 10£990Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£150BGS 10£1,392CGC 10£2782 Sept 2026PSA 10£992Grade 9.5£303Grade 9£150BGS 10£1,390CGC 10£278
£500£1,000
14 Apr8 May5 Jun28 Jun22 Jul2 Sept
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
3 Aug 2026New listings/day14 Aug 2026New listings/day05 Aug 2026New listings/day06 Aug 2026New listings/day07 Aug 2026New listings/day18 Aug 2026New listings/day09 Aug 2026New listings/day010 Aug 2026New listings/day111 Aug 2026New listings/day012 Aug 2026New listings/day013 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day115 Aug 2026New listings/day116 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day121 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day124 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day126 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day128 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day230 Aug 2026New listings/day131 Aug 2026New listings/day11 Sept 2026New listings/day0
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3 Aug13 Aug22 Aug1 Sept
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Auctions that closed with a winning bid. A sale we watched happen, not a listing that
disappeared for unknown reasons.
8 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day09 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day010 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day011 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day012 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day013 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day014 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day015 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day016 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day017 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day018 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day019 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day020 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day021 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day022 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day023 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day124 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day125 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day126 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day127 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day128 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day129 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day0
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8 Aug15 Aug23 Aug29 Aug
UK auctions that closed with a winning bid each day. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Recent confirmed sales
Confirmed auction results
UK auctions that closed with a winning bid — not listings that merely disappeared.
Observed within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound on the hammer price.
Ended
Bids
Price
23 Aug
13
£70.00 or more
On sale now in the UK
5 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.
