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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 43.8× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£158
PSA 10£6,905
PSA 9£1,046
CGC 10£1,070
BGS 10£8,977
A PSA 10 sells for 43.8× the raw card — a gap of £6,748. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£174
30-day low£156
Tracked high£222
Days tracked197
IllustratorHajime Kusajima
Pokédex121
Price history
128 readings · 197d
HoloHawk awaiting data£158-8.5%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
21 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17222 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17223 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17225 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17226 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17227 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17228 Oct 2026PriceCharting£158
£160£165£170
21 Oct23 Oct23 Oct24 Oct24 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£158-8.7%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17329 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17330 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1731 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1732 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1563 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1564 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1565 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1566 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1567 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1568 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1569 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15610 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15611 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15612 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15613 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15614 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15615 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17220 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17221 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17222 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17223 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17225 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17226 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17227 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17228 Oct 2026PriceCharting£158
£160£165£170
28 Sept2 Oct15 Oct23 Oct24 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£158+3.6%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15215 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15216 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15217 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15018 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15019 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15020 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15021 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15022 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15023 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15024 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15025 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15026 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15027 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15028 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12929 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12930 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1291 May 2026PriceCharting£1292 May 2026PriceCharting£1293 May 2026PriceCharting£1294 May 2026PriceCharting£1505 May 2026PriceCharting£1506 May 2026PriceCharting£1507 May 2026PriceCharting£1508 May 2026PriceCharting£1509 May 2026PriceCharting£15010 May 2026PriceCharting£15011 May 2026PriceCharting£15012 May 2026PriceCharting£15013 May 2026PriceCharting£15014 May 2026PriceCharting£15015 May 2026PriceCharting£15016 May 2026PriceCharting£15217 May 2026PriceCharting£15218 May 2026PriceCharting£16219 May 2026PriceCharting£16220 May 2026PriceCharting£16221 May 2026PriceCharting£16222 May 2026PriceCharting£16223 May 2026PriceCharting£16224 May 2026PriceCharting£16225 May 2026PriceCharting£16226 May 2026PriceCharting£15127 May 2026PriceCharting£15128 May 2026PriceCharting£15129 May 2026PriceCharting£15130 May 2026PriceCharting£13831 May 2026PriceCharting£1381 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1382 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1383 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1384 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1385 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1386 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1387 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1538 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1539 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15310 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15311 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15312 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15313 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15314 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15315 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15316 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15917 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15918 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15919 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15920 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15921 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15922 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15923 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15924 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15925 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15126 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15127 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15128 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15129 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15130 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1511 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1512 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1513 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1514 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1675 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1676 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1677 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1678 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1679 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16710 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16711 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16712 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16713 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16914 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16915 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16916 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16917 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17318 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17319 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17320 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17321 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17322 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19623 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19624 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19625 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19626 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19627 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19628 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21429 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21430 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21431 Jul 2026PriceCharting£2141 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2142 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2143 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2144 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2145 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2146 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2147 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2148 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2149 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21410 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21411 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21412 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20213 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20214 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20215 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20316 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20317 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20318 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22219 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22220 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22221 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22222 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22223 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20724 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20725 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20726 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20727 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20728 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20729 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20730 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20731 Aug 2026PriceCharting£2071 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2072 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2073 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2064 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2065 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2066 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2067 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2068 Sept 2026PriceCharting£2069 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20610 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20611 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20612 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20613 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20614 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20615 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20616 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20617 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20618 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18819 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18820 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18821 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18822 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18823 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£18825 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17326 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17327 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17328 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17329 Sept 2026PriceCharting£17330 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1731 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1732 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1563 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1564 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1565 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1566 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1567 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1568 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1569 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15610 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15611 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15612 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15613 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15614 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15615 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15616 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15617 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15618 Oct 2026PriceCharting£15619 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17220 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17221 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17222 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17223 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17225 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17226 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17227 Oct 2026PriceCharting£17228 Oct 2026PriceCharting£158
£150£175£200
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£90115 Apr 2026PSA 10£90116 Apr 2026PSA 10£90117 Apr 2026PSA 10£90118 Apr 2026PSA 10£90119 Apr 2026PSA 10£90120 Apr 2026PSA 10£90121 Apr 2026PSA 10£90122 Apr 2026PSA 10£90123 Apr 2026PSA 10£90124 Apr 2026PSA 10£90125 Apr 2026PSA 10£90126 Apr 2026PSA 10£90127 Apr 2026PSA 10£90128 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,38629 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,38630 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,3861 May 2026PSA 10£1,3862 May 2026PSA 10£2,0843 May 2026PSA 10£2,0844 May 2026PSA 10£2,0845 May 2026PSA 10£2,0846 May 2026PSA 10£2,0847 May 2026PSA 10£2,2348 May 2026PSA 10£2,2349 May 2026PSA 10£2,23410 May 2026PSA 10£2,23411 May 2026PSA 10£2,23412 May 2026PSA 10£2,23413 May 2026PSA 10£2,23414 May 2026PSA 10£2,23415 May 2026PSA 10£2,23416 May 2026PSA 10£2,02217 May 2026PSA 10£2,02218 May 2026PSA 10£2,02219 May 2026PSA 10£2,02220 May 2026PSA 10£2,02221 May 2026PSA 10£2,02222 May 2026PSA 10£2,02223 May 2026PSA 10£2,02224 May 2026PSA 10£2,02225 May 2026PSA 10£2,02226 May 2026PSA 10£2,25327 May 2026PSA 10£2,25328 May 2026PSA 10£2,25329 May 2026PSA 10£2,25330 May 2026PSA 10£2,30931 May 2026PSA 10£2,3091 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,3092 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,3093 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,3094 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,3095 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,3096 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,3097 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,3098 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,3099 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30910 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30911 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30912 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30913 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30914 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30915 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30916 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30917 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,30918 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,44119 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,44120 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,44121 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,44122 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,44123 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,44124 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,44125 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,43626 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,43627 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,43628 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,43929 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,43930 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,4391 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,4392 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,4393 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,4394 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,4405 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,4406 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,4367 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,4368 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,4369 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,43610 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,43611 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,43612 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,43613 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,44114 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,44115 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,44116 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,44117 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34718 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34719 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34720 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34721 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34722 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34723 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34724 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34725 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34726 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34727 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34728 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34729 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,34730 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,22531 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2251 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,2252 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,2253 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,1144 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£544CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,7485 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,7486 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,7487 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,7488 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,7489 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,74810 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,74811 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,74812 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,74813 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,74814 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,114PSA 9£546CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,74815 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£600CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58716 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£600CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58717 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£600CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58718 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£600CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58719 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£600CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58720 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58721 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58722 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58723 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58724 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58725 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58726 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58727 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58728 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58729 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58730 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,58731 Aug 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,5871 Sept 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,5872 Sept 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£619CGC 10£498BGS 10£2,5873 Sept 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£616CGC 10£671BGS 10£2,5874 Sept 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£616CGC 10£671BGS 10£2,5875 Sept 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£616CGC 10£671BGS 10£2,5876 Sept 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£616CGC 10£671BGS 10£2,5877 Sept 2026PSA 10£1,990PSA 9£616CGC 10£671BGS 10£2,5878 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,125PSA 9£615CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,7639 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,125PSA 9£615CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,76310 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,125PSA 9£615CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,76311 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,125PSA 9£615CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,76312 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,125PSA 9£615CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,76313 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,125PSA 9£615CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,76314 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,125PSA 9£661CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,76315 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,125PSA 9£661CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,76316 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£661CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91417 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£661CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91418 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91419 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91420 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91421 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91422 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91423 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91424 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£673BGS 10£2,91425 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£666BGS 10£2,91426 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£666BGS 10£2,91427 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£666BGS 10£2,91428 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£666BGS 10£2,91429 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£666BGS 10£2,91430 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£666BGS 10£2,9141 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£664CGC 10£666BGS 10£2,9142 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,9143 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,9144 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,9145 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,9146 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,9147 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,9148 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,9149 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,91410 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,91411 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,91412 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,91413 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,91414 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£750CGC 10£708BGS 10£2,91415 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£768CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£2,91516 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£768CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£2,91517 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£768CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£2,91518 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,242PSA 9£768CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£2,91519 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£765CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66120 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£765CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66121 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£765CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66122 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£765CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66123 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£782CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66124 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£946CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66125 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£946CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66126 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£946CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66127 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,816PSA 9£946CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£3,66128 Oct 2026PSA 10£6,905PSA 9£1,046CGC 10£1,070BGS 10£8,977
£2,500£5,000£7,500
14 Apr10 May9 Jun4 Jul30 Jul28 Oct
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.