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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 19.1× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£150
PSA 10£2,866
PSA 9£874
CGC 10£750
BGS 10£3,726
A PSA 10 sells for 19.1× the raw card — a gap of £2,716. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£150
30-day low£143
Tracked high£197
Days tracked197
IllustratorHikaru Koike
Pokédex208
Price history
131 readings · 197d
HoloHawk awaiting data£150+1.2%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
21 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14824 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14825 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14826 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14827 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14828 Oct 2026PriceCharting£150
£148£149£149£150
21 Oct23 Oct23 Oct25 Oct25 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£150+5.0%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Sept 2026PriceCharting£14329 Sept 2026PriceCharting£14330 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1431 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1432 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1433 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1434 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1435 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1436 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1437 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1438 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1439 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14310 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14311 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14312 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14313 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14314 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14315 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14316 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14317 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14820 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14821 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14824 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14825 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14826 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14827 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14828 Oct 2026PriceCharting£150
£144£146£148
28 Sept30 Sept15 Oct23 Oct25 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£150+13.6%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13215 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13216 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13217 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13218 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13219 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13220 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12821 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12822 Apr 2026PriceCharting£12823 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11724 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11725 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11726 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11727 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11728 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11729 Apr 2026PriceCharting£11730 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1171 May 2026PriceCharting£1172 May 2026PriceCharting£1173 May 2026PriceCharting£1174 May 2026PriceCharting£1175 May 2026PriceCharting£1446 May 2026PriceCharting£1447 May 2026PriceCharting£1448 May 2026PriceCharting£1449 May 2026PriceCharting£14410 May 2026PriceCharting£14411 May 2026PriceCharting£14412 May 2026PriceCharting£14413 May 2026PriceCharting£14414 May 2026PriceCharting£14415 May 2026PriceCharting£14416 May 2026PriceCharting£14417 May 2026PriceCharting£14418 May 2026PriceCharting£14419 May 2026PriceCharting£14420 May 2026PriceCharting£14421 May 2026PriceCharting£14422 May 2026PriceCharting£14423 May 2026PriceCharting£14424 May 2026PriceCharting£14425 May 2026PriceCharting£14426 May 2026PriceCharting£14427 May 2026PriceCharting£14428 May 2026PriceCharting£14429 May 2026PriceCharting£14430 May 2026PriceCharting£14431 May 2026PriceCharting£1441 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1442 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1443 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1444 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1445 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1446 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1447 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1448 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1449 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14410 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14411 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14412 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14413 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14614 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14615 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14616 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14617 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14618 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14719 Jun 2026PriceCharting£14720 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15321 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15322 Jun 2026PriceCharting£15323 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17624 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17625 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17626 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17627 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17628 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17629 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17630 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1761 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1762 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1763 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1764 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1765 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1766 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1767 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1768 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1369 Jul 2026PriceCharting£13610 Jul 2026PriceCharting£13611 Jul 2026PriceCharting£13612 Jul 2026PriceCharting£13613 Jul 2026PriceCharting£13314 Jul 2026PriceCharting£13315 Jul 2026PriceCharting£13316 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14117 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14118 Jul 2026PriceCharting£14119 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16420 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16421 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16422 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16423 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16424 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16425 Jul 2026PriceCharting£16426 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17927 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17928 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17929 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17930 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17631 Jul 2026PriceCharting£1761 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1762 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1763 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1764 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1765 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1646 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1647 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1568 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1569 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15610 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15611 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16812 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16813 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16814 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14815 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14816 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14817 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15018 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15019 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14920 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14921 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14922 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14923 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14924 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14925 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14926 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14927 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14928 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14929 Aug 2026PriceCharting£14930 Aug 2026PriceCharting£15031 Aug 2026PriceCharting£1501 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1732 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1733 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1734 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1735 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1976 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1977 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1978 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1979 Sept 2026PriceCharting£19710 Sept 2026PriceCharting£19711 Sept 2026PriceCharting£19712 Sept 2026PriceCharting£19713 Sept 2026PriceCharting£19714 Sept 2026PriceCharting£19715 Sept 2026PriceCharting£19716 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15017 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15018 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15019 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15020 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15021 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15022 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15023 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15024 Sept 2026PriceCharting£15025 Sept 2026PriceCharting£14326 Sept 2026PriceCharting£14327 Sept 2026PriceCharting£14328 Sept 2026PriceCharting£14329 Sept 2026PriceCharting£14330 Sept 2026PriceCharting£1431 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1432 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1433 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1434 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1435 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1436 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1437 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1438 Oct 2026PriceCharting£1439 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14310 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14311 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14312 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14313 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14314 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14315 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14316 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14317 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14820 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14821 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14824 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14825 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14826 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14827 Oct 2026PriceCharting£14828 Oct 2026PriceCharting£150
£125£150£175
14 Apr11 May10 Jun6 Jul1 Aug28 Oct
Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05015 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05016 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05017 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05018 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05019 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05020 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05021 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05022 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05023 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05024 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05025 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05026 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05027 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05028 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05029 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,05030 Apr 2026PSA 10£1,0501 May 2026PSA 10£1,0502 May 2026PSA 10£1,0503 May 2026PSA 10£1,0504 May 2026PSA 10£1,0505 May 2026PSA 10£1,0506 May 2026PSA 10£1,0507 May 2026PSA 10£1,0508 May 2026PSA 10£1,0509 May 2026PSA 10£1,05010 May 2026PSA 10£1,05011 May 2026PSA 10£1,05012 May 2026PSA 10£1,05013 May 2026PSA 10£1,05014 May 2026PSA 10£1,05015 May 2026PSA 10£1,05016 May 2026PSA 10£1,05017 May 2026PSA 10£1,05018 May 2026PSA 10£1,05019 May 2026PSA 10£1,05020 May 2026PSA 10£1,05021 May 2026PSA 10£1,32922 May 2026PSA 10£1,32923 May 2026PSA 10£1,32924 May 2026PSA 10£1,32925 May 2026PSA 10£1,32926 May 2026PSA 10£1,72827 May 2026PSA 10£1,72828 May 2026PSA 10£1,72829 May 2026PSA 10£1,72830 May 2026PSA 10£2,10531 May 2026PSA 10£2,1051 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,1052 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,1053 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,1054 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,1785 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,1786 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,1787 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,1788 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,1789 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,17810 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27611 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27612 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27613 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27614 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27615 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27616 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27617 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27618 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,25119 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,25120 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27221 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27222 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27223 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27224 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27225 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27226 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27227 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27228 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27229 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,27430 Jun 2026PSA 10£2,2741 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2742 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2743 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2744 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2745 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2746 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2747 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2748 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2919 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29110 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29111 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29112 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29113 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29114 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29115 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29116 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29217 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29218 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29219 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29220 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29221 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29222 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29223 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29224 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29225 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29226 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29227 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29228 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29229 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29230 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,29231 Jul 2026PSA 10£2,2921 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,2922 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,2923 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,2924 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£517CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,9805 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£517CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,9806 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£517CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,9807 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£520CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,9808 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£520CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,9809 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£520CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,98010 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£520CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,98011 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£567CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,98012 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£567CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,98013 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£567CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,98014 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£566CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,98015 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£566CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,98016 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,292PSA 9£566CGC 10£449BGS 10£2,98017 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06818 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06819 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06820 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06821 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06822 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06823 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06824 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06825 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06826 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06827 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06828 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06829 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£565CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06830 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,06831 Aug 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,0681 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£558CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,0682 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£558CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,0683 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£558CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,0684 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,360PSA 9£558CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,0685 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,1066 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,1067 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,1068 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,1069 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10610 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10611 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10612 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10613 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10614 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10615 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10616 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10617 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,390PSA 9£561CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,10618 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,476PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,21919 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,476PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,21920 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,476PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,21921 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,476PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,21922 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,476PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,21923 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,476PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,21924 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,476PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,21925 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,476PSA 9£560CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,21926 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£557CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,26527 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£557CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,26528 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£557CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,26529 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£557CGC 10£449BGS 10£3,26530 Sept 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2651 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2652 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2653 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2654 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2655 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2656 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2657 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2658 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,2659 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,26510 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,26511 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,26512 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,26513 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,26514 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,512PSA 9£600CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,26515 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,859PSA 9£597CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,71716 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,859PSA 9£597CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,71717 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,859PSA 9£597CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,71718 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,859PSA 9£597CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,71719 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,881PSA 9£599CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,74620 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,881PSA 9£599CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,74621 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,881PSA 9£599CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,74622 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,881PSA 9£599CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,74623 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,885PSA 9£856CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,75124 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,885PSA 9£856CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,75125 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,866PSA 9£856CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,72626 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,866PSA 9£856CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,72627 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,866PSA 9£856CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,72628 Oct 2026PSA 10£2,866PSA 9£874CGC 10£750BGS 10£3,726
£1,000£2,000£3,000
14 Apr11 May10 Jun6 Jul1 Aug28 Oct
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.