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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 11.2× raw
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£6.60
Grade 9£14.08
Grade 9.5£14.66
PSA 10£74.24
BGS 10£96.81
CGC 10£21.43
A PSA 10 sells for 11.2× the raw card — a gap of £67.64. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£7.20
30-day low£6.12
Tracked high£7.20
Days tracked140
IllustratorSaboteri
Pokédex231
Price history
118 readings · 140d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
24 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.7525 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.71PriceCharting£6.4026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.4027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.1230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.1231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.121 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.60
£7.00
24 Aug26 Aug28 Aug31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
1 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.932 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.323 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.344 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.345 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.346 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£7.207 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£7.208 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.649 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.6410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.6411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.6412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.6413 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.6414 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2815 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2816 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2817 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2818 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.69PriceCharting£6.3119 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.69PriceCharting£6.3120 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.69PriceCharting£6.5521 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.75PriceCharting£6.5522 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.75PriceCharting£6.5523 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.75PriceCharting£6.4024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.75PriceCharting£6.4025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.71PriceCharting£6.4026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.4027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.1230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.1231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.121 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.60
£7.00
1 Aug19 Aug26 Aug31 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.4315 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.4316 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.7017 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.7018 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.7019 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.7020 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.4321 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.4322 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.4623 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.4624 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.4625 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.9526 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.9527 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.9528 Apr 2026PriceCharting£4.9529 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.1730 Apr 2026PriceCharting£5.171 May 2026PriceCharting£4.802 May 2026PriceCharting£4.803 May 2026PriceCharting£4.804 May 2026PriceCharting£5.205 May 2026PriceCharting£5.206 May 2026PriceCharting£5.207 May 2026PriceCharting£5.208 May 2026PriceCharting£5.229 May 2026PriceCharting£5.2210 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1411 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1412 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1413 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1714 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1715 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1716 May 2026PriceCharting£5.3717 May 2026PriceCharting£5.3718 May 2026PriceCharting£5.3719 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1720 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1721 May 2026PriceCharting£5.1722 May 2026PriceCharting£5.4823 May 2026PriceCharting£5.4824 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.47PriceCharting£5.4825 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.47PriceCharting£5.5126 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.47PriceCharting£5.5127 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.47PriceCharting£5.5128 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.5129 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.5130 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£6.2431 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£6.241 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.912 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.913 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.124 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.125 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.126 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.177 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.178 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.179 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£5.1710 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£4.7011 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.45PriceCharting£4.7012 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.2313 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.3814 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.3815 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.3016 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.3017 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.3018 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.3019 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.1720 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.1721 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.1722 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.5423 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.5424 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.9125 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.9126 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£5.9127 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.8428 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.8429 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.8430 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.841 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.902 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.903 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.864 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.865 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.866 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.717 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.718 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.719 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.7110 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.7411 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.7412 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.7413 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9914 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9915 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9916 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9017 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9018 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9019 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9020 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9021 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9022 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.0223 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.0224 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.0225 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9426 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9427 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9828 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9829 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£5.9830 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.3231 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.322 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.323 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.344 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.345 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.346 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£7.207 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£7.208 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.649 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.6410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.6411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.6412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.93PriceCharting£6.6413 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.6414 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2815 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2816 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2817 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2818 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.69PriceCharting£6.3119 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.69PriceCharting£6.3120 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.69PriceCharting£6.5521 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.75PriceCharting£6.5522 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.75PriceCharting£6.5523 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.75PriceCharting£6.4024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.75PriceCharting£6.4025 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.71PriceCharting£6.4026 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.4027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.2029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.1230 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.1231 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.121 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£7.59PriceCharting£6.60
£6.00
14 Apr26 May6 Jul1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £74.24
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5615 Apr 2026PSA 10£46.5616 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.8517 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.8518 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.8519 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.8520 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.8521 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.8522 Apr 2026PSA 10£52.4623 Apr 2026PSA 10£52.4624 Apr 2026PSA 10£52.4625 Apr 2026PSA 10£53.5626 Apr 2026PSA 10£53.5627 Apr 2026PSA 10£53.5628 Apr 2026PSA 10£53.5629 Apr 2026PSA 10£54.2830 Apr 2026PSA 10£54.281 May 2026PSA 10£54.332 May 2026PSA 10£54.333 May 2026PSA 10£54.334 May 2026PSA 10£59.785 May 2026PSA 10£59.786 May 2026PSA 10£59.787 May 2026PSA 10£59.788 May 2026PSA 10£53.409 May 2026PSA 10£53.4010 May 2026PSA 10£51.7311 May 2026PSA 10£51.7312 May 2026PSA 10£51.7313 May 2026PSA 10£58.7514 May 2026PSA 10£58.7515 May 2026PSA 10£58.7516 May 2026PSA 10£62.4517 May 2026PSA 10£62.4518 May 2026PSA 10£62.4519 May 2026PSA 10£62.4520 May 2026PSA 10£62.4521 May 2026PSA 10£62.4522 May 2026PSA 10£62.5723 May 2026PSA 10£62.5724 May 2026PSA 10£62.5725 May 2026PSA 10£63.5626 May 2026PSA 10£63.5627 May 2026PSA 10£63.5628 May 2026PSA 10£63.5629 May 2026PSA 10£63.5630 May 2026PSA 10£66.8831 May 2026PSA 10£66.881 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.052 Jun 2026PSA 10£69.053 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.254 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.255 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.256 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.257 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.258 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.259 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.2510 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9511 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9512 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9513 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9514 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9515 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9516 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9517 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9518 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9519 Jun 2026PSA 10£83.5120 Jun 2026PSA 10£83.5121 Jun 2026PSA 10£83.5122 Jun 2026PSA 10£83.8523 Jun 2026PSA 10£83.8524 Jun 2026PSA 10£86.0225 Jun 2026PSA 10£86.0226 Jun 2026PSA 10£86.0227 Jun 2026PSA 10£86.0228 Jun 2026PSA 10£86.0229 Jun 2026PSA 10£86.0230 Jun 2026PSA 10£86.021 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.902 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.903 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.904 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.905 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.906 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.537 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.538 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.539 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.5310 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.1611 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.1612 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.1613 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.1614 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.1615 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.1616 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.5317 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.5318 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9019 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9020 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9021 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9022 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9023 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9024 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9025 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9026 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9027 Jul 2026PSA 10£76.8628 Jul 2026PSA 10£76.8629 Jul 2026PSA 10£76.8630 Jul 2026PSA 10£76.8631 Jul 2026PSA 10£76.861 Aug 2026PSA 10£76.862 Aug 2026PSA 10£76.863 Aug 2026PSA 10£76.864 Aug 2026PSA 10£76.86Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£15.15BGS 10£99.77CGC 10£21.435 Aug 2026PSA 10£76.86Grade 9.5£15.51Grade 9£15.15BGS 10£99.77CGC 10£21.436 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.66Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£15.00BGS 10£106CGC 10£21.437 Aug 2026PSA 10£81.66Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£15.00BGS 10£106CGC 10£21.438 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£15.00BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.439 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£15.00BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4310 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£15.00BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4311 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4312 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4313 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4314 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4315 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4316 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4317 Aug 2026PSA 10£82.40Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£107CGC 10£21.4318 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4319 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£17.00Grade 9£15.62BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4320 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4321 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4322 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4323 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4324 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4325 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4326 Aug 2026PSA 10£73.90Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.08CGC 10£21.4327 Aug 2026PSA 10£74.24Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.81CGC 10£21.4328 Aug 2026PSA 10£74.24Grade 9.5£16.26Grade 9£14.78BGS 10£96.81CGC 10£21.4329 Aug 2026PSA 10£74.24Grade 9.5£14.72Grade 9£14.49BGS 10£96.81CGC 10£21.4330 Aug 2026PSA 10£74.24Grade 9.5£14.72Grade 9£14.49BGS 10£96.81CGC 10£21.4331 Aug 2026PSA 10£74.24Grade 9.5£14.72Grade 9£14.49BGS 10£96.81CGC 10£21.431 Sept 2026PSA 10£74.24Grade 9.5£14.66Grade 9£14.08BGS 10£96.81CGC 10£21.43
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
13 Aug 2026New listings/day214 Aug 2026New listings/day115 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day117 Aug 2026New listings/day018 Aug 2026New listings/day119 Aug 2026New listings/day120 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day222 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day324 Aug 2026New listings/day125 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day227 Aug 2026New listings/day128 Aug 2026New listings/day329 Aug 2026New listings/day130 Aug 2026New listings/day231 Aug 2026New listings/day0
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New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
7 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.