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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier. Graded history starts building tonight.
Raw · ungraded£1.10
Grade 9£20.81
Grade 9.5£22.90
PSA 10£70.43
BGS 10£91.59
CGC 10£23.44
At a glance
30-day high£1.39
30-day low£1.04
Tracked high£1.59
Days tracked138
IllustratorSumiyoshi Kizuki
Pokédex63
Price history
117 readings · 138d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
10 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1611 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1612 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1613 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1614 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1615 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1616 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1617 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1623 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3924 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3925 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3926 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.10
£1.10£1.20£1.30
23 Aug24 Aug26 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
18 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9519 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9520 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9521 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9522 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9523 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9524 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9525 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9526 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9527 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9528 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9529 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9530 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.9531 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.281 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.282 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.283 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.144 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.145 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.046 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.047 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.048 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.049 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1113 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1114 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1115 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1116 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1117 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2318 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3922 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3923 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3924 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3925 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3926 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.10
£1.50
31 Jul4 Aug15 Aug30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1715 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1716 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1717 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1718 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1719 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1420 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1421 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.1422 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.0623 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.0624 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5925 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5926 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5927 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5928 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5929 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5930 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.591 May 2026PriceCharting£1.572 May 2026PriceCharting£1.573 May 2026PriceCharting£1.574 May 2026PriceCharting£1.235 May 2026PriceCharting£1.236 May 2026PriceCharting£1.497 May 2026PriceCharting£1.498 May 2026PriceCharting£1.499 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4010 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4011 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4012 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4013 May 2026PriceCharting£1.3114 May 2026PriceCharting£1.3115 May 2026PriceCharting£1.3116 May 2026PriceCharting£1.1217 May 2026PriceCharting£1.1218 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0719 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0720 May 2026PriceCharting£1.0721 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4022 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4023 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4024 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4025 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4026 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4027 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4028 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4029 May 2026PriceCharting£1.4030 May 2026PriceCharting£1.3331 May 2026PriceCharting£1.331 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.332 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.323 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.324 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.325 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.326 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.327 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.328 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.329 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.3710 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.3711 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.2012 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.2013 Jun 2026PriceCharting£1.2014 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3815 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3816 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3817 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3818 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.4619 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.4620 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.4621 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3422 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3423 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3424 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3425 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3426 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3427 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3428 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3429 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3430 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.341 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.342 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.343 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.334 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.335 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.296 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.297 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.298 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.299 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.2910 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.2911 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1212 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1213 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1114 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1115 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1116 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.0217 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.0218 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.0219 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.0220 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1221 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1222 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1223 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1224 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1325 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1326 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.1327 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3728 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3729 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3730 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.3731 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.281 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.282 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.283 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.144 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.145 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.95PriceCharting£1.046 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.047 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.048 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.049 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0410 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0411 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0412 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1113 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1114 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1115 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1116 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1117 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2318 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3922 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3923 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3924 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3925 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3926 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1027 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1028 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1029 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1030 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.10
£1.50
14 Apr26 May5 Jul30 Aug
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £70.43
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7015 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7016 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7017 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7018 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7019 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7020 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7021 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7022 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7023 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7024 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7025 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7026 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7027 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7028 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7029 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.7030 Apr 2026PSA 10£40.701 May 2026PSA 10£40.702 May 2026PSA 10£40.703 May 2026PSA 10£40.704 May 2026PSA 10£40.705 May 2026PSA 10£40.706 May 2026PSA 10£40.707 May 2026PSA 10£40.708 May 2026PSA 10£40.709 May 2026PSA 10£40.7010 May 2026PSA 10£40.7011 May 2026PSA 10£40.7012 May 2026PSA 10£40.7013 May 2026PSA 10£40.7014 May 2026PSA 10£40.7015 May 2026PSA 10£40.7016 May 2026PSA 10£40.7017 May 2026PSA 10£40.7018 May 2026PSA 10£70.4319 May 2026PSA 10£70.4320 May 2026PSA 10£70.4321 May 2026PSA 10£70.4322 May 2026PSA 10£70.4323 May 2026PSA 10£70.4324 May 2026PSA 10£70.4325 May 2026PSA 10£72.1826 May 2026PSA 10£72.1827 May 2026PSA 10£72.1828 May 2026PSA 10£72.1829 May 2026PSA 10£72.1830 May 2026PSA 10£73.4831 May 2026PSA 10£73.481 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.482 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.713 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.714 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.715 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.716 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.837 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.838 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.839 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.8910 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.8911 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9212 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9213 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.9214 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.4915 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.4916 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.4917 Jun 2026PSA 10£72.4918 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.2219 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.2220 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.2221 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.5822 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.5823 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.7624 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.7625 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.7626 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.8527 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.8528 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.8529 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.8530 Jun 2026PSA 10£73.901 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.902 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.903 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.924 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.925 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.936 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.937 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.938 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.939 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9310 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9311 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9312 Jul 2026PSA 10£73.9313 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4314 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4315 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4316 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4317 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4318 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4319 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4320 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4321 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4322 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4323 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4324 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4325 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4326 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4327 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4328 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4329 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4330 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.4331 Jul 2026PSA 10£70.431 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.432 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.433 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.434 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.39BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.445 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.42BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.446 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.42BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.447 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.42BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.448 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£19.88BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.449 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£19.88BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4410 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£19.88BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4411 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£19.88BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4412 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.16BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4413 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.16BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4414 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.16BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4415 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.30BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4416 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.30BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4417 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.37BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4418 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.37BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4419 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.37BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4420 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.16Grade 9£20.37BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4421 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.87BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4422 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.87BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4423 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.87BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4424 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£21.09BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4425 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£21.09BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4426 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£23.64Grade 9£21.21BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4427 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£23.64Grade 9£21.21BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4428 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£23.64Grade 9£21.21BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4429 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£23.64Grade 9£21.21BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.4430 Aug 2026PSA 10£70.43Grade 9.5£22.90Grade 9£20.81BGS 10£91.59CGC 10£23.44
£25.00£50.00£75.00
14 Apr26 May5 Jul30 Aug
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
6 Aug 2026New listings/day17 Aug 2026New listings/day08 Aug 2026New listings/day09 Aug 2026New listings/day010 Aug 2026New listings/day011 Aug 2026New listings/day012 Aug 2026New listings/day013 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day218 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day020 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day022 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day024 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day028 Aug 2026New listings/day129 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day0
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6 Aug14 Aug22 Aug30 Aug
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
From tomorrow
How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. From tomorrow this charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
4 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.