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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 23.0× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£22.13
PSA 10£510
PSA 9£79.21
CGC 10£75.02
BGS 10£663
A PSA 10 sells for 23.0× the raw card — a gap of £488. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£24.68
30-day low£21.58
Tracked high£24.68
Days tracked194
Price history
123 readings · 194d
HoloHawk awaiting data£22.13-5.8%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
18 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4919 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5820 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5821 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5824 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5825 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.13
£22.00£22.50£23.00
18 Oct18 Oct19 Oct19 Oct25 Oct25 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£22.13-10.3%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
25 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6826 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6827 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6828 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6829 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6830 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.681 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.682 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.683 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.684 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.685 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.686 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.687 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.688 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.689 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6810 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6811 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6812 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6813 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6814 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6815 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4916 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4917 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4918 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4919 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5820 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5821 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5824 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5825 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.13
£22.00£23.00£24.00
25 Sept25 Sept2 Oct15 Oct19 Oct25 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£22.13+29.1%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17.1415 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17.1416 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17.1417 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17.1418 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17.1419 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17.1420 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17.1421 Apr 2026PriceCharting£17.1422 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.5723 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.5724 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.5725 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.5726 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.5727 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.8628 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.8629 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.8630 Apr 2026PriceCharting£13.861 May 2026PriceCharting£13.862 May 2026PriceCharting£13.863 May 2026PriceCharting£13.864 May 2026PriceCharting£13.865 May 2026PriceCharting£13.866 May 2026PriceCharting£13.867 May 2026PriceCharting£13.868 May 2026PriceCharting£16.809 May 2026PriceCharting£16.8010 May 2026PriceCharting£16.8011 May 2026PriceCharting£16.8012 May 2026PriceCharting£16.8013 May 2026PriceCharting£16.8014 May 2026PriceCharting£14.8115 May 2026PriceCharting£14.8116 May 2026PriceCharting£14.8117 May 2026PriceCharting£14.8118 May 2026PriceCharting£14.8119 May 2026PriceCharting£14.8120 May 2026PriceCharting£16.5721 May 2026PriceCharting£16.5722 May 2026PriceCharting£16.5723 May 2026PriceCharting£16.5724 May 2026PriceCharting£16.5725 May 2026PriceCharting£16.5726 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9427 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9428 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9429 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9430 May 2026PriceCharting£16.4031 May 2026PriceCharting£16.401 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.402 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.403 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.404 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.555 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.556 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.557 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.558 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.559 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5510 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5511 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0412 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0413 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0414 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0415 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0416 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0417 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.0418 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7619 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7620 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7621 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7622 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7623 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7624 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7625 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7626 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7627 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7628 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7629 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.7630 Jun 2026PriceCharting£18.761 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18.762 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18.763 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18.374 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18.375 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18.376 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18.377 Jul 2026PriceCharting£18.378 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.029 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0210 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0211 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0212 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0213 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0214 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0215 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0216 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0217 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0218 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0219 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0220 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0721 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0722 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0723 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0724 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.0725 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.8826 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.8827 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.8828 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.8829 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.8830 Jul 2026PriceCharting£19.8831 Jul 2026PriceCharting£20.261 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.262 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.263 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.264 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.265 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.266 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.267 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.258 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.259 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.2510 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.2511 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.3812 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.3813 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.3814 Aug 2026PriceCharting£21.3815 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.4516 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.4517 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.4518 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.4519 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.4520 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.4521 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0322 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0323 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0324 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0325 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0326 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0327 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0328 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0329 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0330 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.0331 Aug 2026PriceCharting£20.031 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.032 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.513 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.514 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.515 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.516 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.517 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.518 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.519 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.5110 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.5111 Sept 2026PriceCharting£22.5112 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9513 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9514 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9515 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9516 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9517 Sept 2026PriceCharting£20.9518 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.0819 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.0820 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.0821 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.0822 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6823 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6824 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6825 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6826 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6827 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6828 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6829 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.6830 Sept 2026PriceCharting£24.681 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.682 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.683 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.684 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.685 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.686 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.687 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.688 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.689 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6810 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6811 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6812 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6813 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6814 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.6815 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4916 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4917 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4918 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.4919 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5820 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5821 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5822 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5823 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5824 Oct 2026PriceCharting£21.5825 Oct 2026PriceCharting£22.13
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£52415 Apr 2026PSA 10£52416 Apr 2026PSA 10£52417 Apr 2026PSA 10£52418 Apr 2026PSA 10£52419 Apr 2026PSA 10£52420 Apr 2026PSA 10£52421 Apr 2026PSA 10£52422 Apr 2026PSA 10£52323 Apr 2026PSA 10£52324 Apr 2026PSA 10£52325 Apr 2026PSA 10£52326 Apr 2026PSA 10£52327 Apr 2026PSA 10£52328 Apr 2026PSA 10£52329 Apr 2026PSA 10£52330 Apr 2026PSA 10£5231 May 2026PSA 10£5232 May 2026PSA 10£5233 May 2026PSA 10£5234 May 2026PSA 10£5235 May 2026PSA 10£5236 May 2026PSA 10£5237 May 2026PSA 10£5238 May 2026PSA 10£5239 May 2026PSA 10£52310 May 2026PSA 10£52311 May 2026PSA 10£52312 May 2026PSA 10£52313 May 2026PSA 10£52314 May 2026PSA 10£52315 May 2026PSA 10£52316 May 2026PSA 10£52317 May 2026PSA 10£52318 May 2026PSA 10£52319 May 2026PSA 10£52320 May 2026PSA 10£52321 May 2026PSA 10£52322 May 2026PSA 10£52323 May 2026PSA 10£52324 May 2026PSA 10£52325 May 2026PSA 10£52326 May 2026PSA 10£52327 May 2026PSA 10£52328 May 2026PSA 10£52329 May 2026PSA 10£52330 May 2026PSA 10£52331 May 2026PSA 10£5231 Jun 2026PSA 10£5232 Jun 2026PSA 10£5233 Jun 2026PSA 10£5234 Jun 2026PSA 10£5235 Jun 2026PSA 10£5236 Jun 2026PSA 10£5237 Jun 2026PSA 10£5238 Jun 2026PSA 10£5239 Jun 2026PSA 10£52310 Jun 2026PSA 10£52311 Jun 2026PSA 10£52312 Jun 2026PSA 10£52313 Jun 2026PSA 10£52314 Jun 2026PSA 10£52315 Jun 2026PSA 10£52316 Jun 2026PSA 10£52317 Jun 2026PSA 10£52318 Jun 2026PSA 10£52319 Jun 2026PSA 10£52320 Jun 2026PSA 10£52321 Jun 2026PSA 10£52322 Jun 2026PSA 10£52323 Jun 2026PSA 10£52324 Jun 2026PSA 10£52025 Jun 2026PSA 10£52026 Jun 2026PSA 10£52027 Jun 2026PSA 10£52028 Jun 2026PSA 10£52029 Jun 2026PSA 10£52030 Jun 2026PSA 10£5201 Jul 2026PSA 10£5202 Jul 2026PSA 10£5203 Jul 2026PSA 10£5184 Jul 2026PSA 10£5185 Jul 2026PSA 10£5186 Jul 2026PSA 10£5187 Jul 2026PSA 10£5188 Jul 2026PSA 10£5179 Jul 2026PSA 10£51710 Jul 2026PSA 10£51711 Jul 2026PSA 10£51712 Jul 2026PSA 10£51713 Jul 2026PSA 10£51714 Jul 2026PSA 10£51715 Jul 2026PSA 10£51616 Jul 2026PSA 10£51617 Jul 2026PSA 10£51618 Jul 2026PSA 10£51619 Jul 2026PSA 10£51620 Jul 2026PSA 10£51621 Jul 2026PSA 10£51622 Jul 2026PSA 10£51623 Jul 2026PSA 10£51624 Jul 2026PSA 10£51625 Jul 2026PSA 10£51526 Jul 2026PSA 10£51527 Jul 2026PSA 10£51528 Jul 2026PSA 10£51529 Jul 2026PSA 10£51530 Jul 2026PSA 10£51531 Jul 2026PSA 10£5201 Aug 2026PSA 10£5202 Aug 2026PSA 10£5203 Aug 2026PSA 10£5204 Aug 2026PSA 10£520PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6765 Aug 2026PSA 10£520PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6766 Aug 2026PSA 10£520PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6767 Aug 2026PSA 10£523PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6808 Aug 2026PSA 10£523PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6809 Aug 2026PSA 10£523PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68010 Aug 2026PSA 10£523PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68011 Aug 2026PSA 10£524PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68112 Aug 2026PSA 10£524PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68113 Aug 2026PSA 10£524PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68114 Aug 2026PSA 10£524PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68115 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68216 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68217 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68218 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68219 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68220 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68221 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68222 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68223 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68224 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68225 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68226 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68227 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68328 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68329 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68330 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68331 Aug 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6831 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6832 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6833 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6834 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6835 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£30.00CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6836 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6837 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6838 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6839 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68310 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68311 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68312 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68313 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68314 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68315 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68316 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68317 Sept 2026PSA 10£525PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£68318 Sept 2026PSA 10£515PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66919 Sept 2026PSA 10£515PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66920 Sept 2026PSA 10£515PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66921 Sept 2026PSA 10£515PSA 9£41.05CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66922 Sept 2026PSA 10£513PSA 9£84.46CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66723 Sept 2026PSA 10£513PSA 9£84.46CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66724 Sept 2026PSA 10£513PSA 9£84.46CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66725 Sept 2026PSA 10£512PSA 9£41.72CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66626 Sept 2026PSA 10£512PSA 9£41.72CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66627 Sept 2026PSA 10£512PSA 9£41.72CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66628 Sept 2026PSA 10£512PSA 9£41.72CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66629 Sept 2026PSA 10£512PSA 9£41.72CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66630 Sept 2026PSA 10£512PSA 9£41.72CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6661 Oct 2026PSA 10£512PSA 9£41.72CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6662 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6643 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6644 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6645 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6646 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6647 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6648 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£6649 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66410 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66411 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66412 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66413 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66414 Oct 2026PSA 10£511PSA 9£41.22CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66415 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66316 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66317 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66318 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66319 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66320 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66321 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66322 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66323 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66324 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£78.23CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£66325 Oct 2026PSA 10£510PSA 9£79.21CGC 10£75.02BGS 10£663
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.