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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 26.1× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£25.19
PSA 10£657
PSA 9£24.08
CGC 10£263
BGS 10£854
A PSA 10 sells for 26.1× the raw card — a gap of £632. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£25.19
30-day low£23.67
Tracked high£25.19
Days tracked197
Price history
121 readings · 197d
HoloHawk awaiting data£25.19+3.1%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
21 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.19
£24.60£24.80£25.00
21 Oct21 Oct23 Oct23 Oct28 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£25.19+6.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
28 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6729 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6730 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.671 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.672 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.673 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.674 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.675 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.676 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.677 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.678 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.679 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6710 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6711 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6712 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6713 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6714 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6715 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.8316 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.8317 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.8318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.8319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.19
£24.00£24.50£25.00
28 Sept15 Oct19 Oct19 Oct23 Oct28 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£25.19+66.4%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.1415 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.1416 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.1417 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.1418 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.1419 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.1420 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.1421 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.1422 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0523 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0524 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0525 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0526 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0527 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0528 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0529 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.0530 Apr 2026PriceCharting£15.051 May 2026PriceCharting£15.052 May 2026PriceCharting£15.053 May 2026PriceCharting£15.054 May 2026PriceCharting£15.055 May 2026PriceCharting£15.056 May 2026PriceCharting£15.057 May 2026PriceCharting£15.058 May 2026PriceCharting£15.059 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0510 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0511 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0512 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0513 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0514 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0515 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0516 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0517 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0518 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0519 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0520 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0521 May 2026PriceCharting£15.0522 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9223 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9224 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9225 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9226 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9227 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9228 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9229 May 2026PriceCharting£15.9230 May 2026PriceCharting£16.5631 May 2026PriceCharting£16.561 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.562 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.563 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.564 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.565 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.566 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.567 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.568 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.569 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5610 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5611 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5612 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5613 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5614 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5615 Jun 2026PriceCharting£16.5616 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.6917 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.6918 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.6919 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.6920 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.6921 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.6922 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.6923 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.6924 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.4025 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.4026 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.4027 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.4028 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.4029 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.4030 Jun 2026PriceCharting£17.401 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.402 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.403 Jul 2026PriceCharting£17.404 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.955 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.956 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.957 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.958 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.959 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9510 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9511 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9512 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9513 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9514 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9515 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9516 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9517 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9518 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9519 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9520 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9521 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9522 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9523 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9524 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9525 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9526 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9527 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9528 Jul 2026PriceCharting£21.9529 Jul 2026PriceCharting£25.0830 Jul 2026PriceCharting£25.0831 Jul 2026PriceCharting£25.081 Aug 2026PriceCharting£25.082 Aug 2026PriceCharting£25.083 Aug 2026PriceCharting£25.084 Aug 2026PriceCharting£25.085 Aug 2026PriceCharting£25.086 Aug 2026PriceCharting£25.087 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.328 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.329 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.3210 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.3211 Aug 2026PriceCharting£17.3212 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.8413 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.8414 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.8415 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.8416 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.8417 Aug 2026PriceCharting£22.8418 Aug 2026PriceCharting£24.8319 Aug 2026PriceCharting£24.8320 Aug 2026PriceCharting£24.8321 Aug 2026PriceCharting£24.8322 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.9423 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.9424 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.9425 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.9426 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.9427 Aug 2026PriceCharting£16.9428 Aug 2026PriceCharting£23.2129 Aug 2026PriceCharting£23.2130 Aug 2026PriceCharting£23.2131 Aug 2026PriceCharting£23.211 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.212 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.213 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.144 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.145 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.146 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.147 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.148 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.149 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1410 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1411 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1212 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1213 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1214 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1215 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1216 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1217 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1218 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1219 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1220 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1221 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.1222 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6723 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6724 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6725 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6726 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6727 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6728 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6729 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.6730 Sept 2026PriceCharting£23.671 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.672 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.673 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.674 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.675 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.676 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.677 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.678 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.679 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6710 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6711 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6712 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6713 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6714 Oct 2026PriceCharting£23.6715 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.8316 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.8317 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.8318 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.8319 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4424 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4425 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4426 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4427 Oct 2026PriceCharting£24.4428 Oct 2026PriceCharting£25.19
£20.00£25.00
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£39315 Apr 2026PSA 10£39316 Apr 2026PSA 10£39317 Apr 2026PSA 10£39318 Apr 2026PSA 10£39319 Apr 2026PSA 10£39320 Apr 2026PSA 10£39321 Apr 2026PSA 10£39322 Apr 2026PSA 10£39623 Apr 2026PSA 10£39624 Apr 2026PSA 10£39625 Apr 2026PSA 10£39626 Apr 2026PSA 10£39627 Apr 2026PSA 10£39628 Apr 2026PSA 10£39629 Apr 2026PSA 10£39630 Apr 2026PSA 10£3961 May 2026PSA 10£3962 May 2026PSA 10£3953 May 2026PSA 10£3954 May 2026PSA 10£3955 May 2026PSA 10£3956 May 2026PSA 10£3957 May 2026PSA 10£3958 May 2026PSA 10£3959 May 2026PSA 10£39510 May 2026PSA 10£39511 May 2026PSA 10£39512 May 2026PSA 10£39613 May 2026PSA 10£39614 May 2026PSA 10£39615 May 2026PSA 10£39616 May 2026PSA 10£39617 May 2026PSA 10£39618 May 2026PSA 10£39619 May 2026PSA 10£39620 May 2026PSA 10£39621 May 2026PSA 10£39622 May 2026PSA 10£39723 May 2026PSA 10£39724 May 2026PSA 10£39725 May 2026PSA 10£39726 May 2026PSA 10£39727 May 2026PSA 10£39728 May 2026PSA 10£39729 May 2026PSA 10£39730 May 2026PSA 10£41931 May 2026PSA 10£4191 Jun 2026PSA 10£4192 Jun 2026PSA 10£4193 Jun 2026PSA 10£4194 Jun 2026PSA 10£4195 Jun 2026PSA 10£4196 Jun 2026PSA 10£4367 Jun 2026PSA 10£4368 Jun 2026PSA 10£4369 Jun 2026PSA 10£43610 Jun 2026PSA 10£43611 Jun 2026PSA 10£43612 Jun 2026PSA 10£43613 Jun 2026PSA 10£43614 Jun 2026PSA 10£43615 Jun 2026PSA 10£43616 Jun 2026PSA 10£43717 Jun 2026PSA 10£43718 Jun 2026PSA 10£43719 Jun 2026PSA 10£43720 Jun 2026PSA 10£43721 Jun 2026PSA 10£43722 Jun 2026PSA 10£43723 Jun 2026PSA 10£43724 Jun 2026PSA 10£46625 Jun 2026PSA 10£46626 Jun 2026PSA 10£46627 Jun 2026PSA 10£46628 Jun 2026PSA 10£46629 Jun 2026PSA 10£46630 Jun 2026PSA 10£4661 Jul 2026PSA 10£4662 Jul 2026PSA 10£4663 Jul 2026PSA 10£4664 Jul 2026PSA 10£4605 Jul 2026PSA 10£4606 Jul 2026PSA 10£4607 Jul 2026PSA 10£4608 Jul 2026PSA 10£4609 Jul 2026PSA 10£46010 Jul 2026PSA 10£46011 Jul 2026PSA 10£57612 Jul 2026PSA 10£57613 Jul 2026PSA 10£57614 Jul 2026PSA 10£57615 Jul 2026PSA 10£57616 Jul 2026PSA 10£57617 Jul 2026PSA 10£57618 Jul 2026PSA 10£57619 Jul 2026PSA 10£57620 Jul 2026PSA 10£57721 Jul 2026PSA 10£57722 Jul 2026PSA 10£57723 Jul 2026PSA 10£57724 Jul 2026PSA 10£57725 Jul 2026PSA 10£57726 Jul 2026PSA 10£57727 Jul 2026PSA 10£57728 Jul 2026PSA 10£57729 Jul 2026PSA 10£57930 Jul 2026PSA 10£57931 Jul 2026PSA 10£5791 Aug 2026PSA 10£5792 Aug 2026PSA 10£5793 Aug 2026PSA 10£5794 Aug 2026PSA 10£579PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£347BGS 10£7535 Aug 2026PSA 10£579PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£347BGS 10£7536 Aug 2026PSA 10£579PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£347BGS 10£7537 Aug 2026PSA 10£660PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£396BGS 10£8588 Aug 2026PSA 10£660PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£396BGS 10£8589 Aug 2026PSA 10£660PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£396BGS 10£85810 Aug 2026PSA 10£660PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£396BGS 10£85811 Aug 2026PSA 10£660PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£396BGS 10£85812 Aug 2026PSA 10£463PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£278BGS 10£60213 Aug 2026PSA 10£463PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£278BGS 10£60214 Aug 2026PSA 10£463PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£278BGS 10£60215 Aug 2026PSA 10£463PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£278BGS 10£60216 Aug 2026PSA 10£463PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£278BGS 10£60217 Aug 2026PSA 10£463PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£278BGS 10£60218 Aug 2026PSA 10£604PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£363BGS 10£78619 Aug 2026PSA 10£604PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£363BGS 10£78620 Aug 2026PSA 10£604PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£363BGS 10£78621 Aug 2026PSA 10£604PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£363BGS 10£78622 Aug 2026PSA 10£656PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£394BGS 10£85323 Aug 2026PSA 10£656PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£394BGS 10£85324 Aug 2026PSA 10£656PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£394BGS 10£85325 Aug 2026PSA 10£656PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£394BGS 10£85326 Aug 2026PSA 10£656PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£394BGS 10£85327 Aug 2026PSA 10£656PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£394BGS 10£85328 Aug 2026PSA 10£455PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£273BGS 10£59229 Aug 2026PSA 10£455PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£273BGS 10£59230 Aug 2026PSA 10£455PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£273BGS 10£59231 Aug 2026PSA 10£455PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£273BGS 10£5921 Sept 2026PSA 10£455PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£273BGS 10£5922 Sept 2026PSA 10£455PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£273BGS 10£5923 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£8024 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£8025 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£8026 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£8027 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£8028 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£8029 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80210 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80211 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80112 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80113 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80114 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80115 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80116 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80117 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80118 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80119 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80120 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80121 Sept 2026PSA 10£616PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80122 Sept 2026PSA 10£617PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80223 Sept 2026PSA 10£617PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80224 Sept 2026PSA 10£617PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80225 Sept 2026PSA 10£617PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£370BGS 10£80226 Sept 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82227 Sept 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82228 Sept 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82229 Sept 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82230 Sept 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8221 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8222 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8223 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8224 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8225 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8226 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8227 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8228 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£8229 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82210 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82211 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82212 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82213 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82214 Oct 2026PSA 10£632PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£379BGS 10£82215 Oct 2026PSA 10£644PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£386BGS 10£83716 Oct 2026PSA 10£644PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£386BGS 10£83717 Oct 2026PSA 10£644PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£386BGS 10£83718 Oct 2026PSA 10£644PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£386BGS 10£83719 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£400BGS 10£86520 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£400BGS 10£86521 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£400BGS 10£86522 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£400BGS 10£86523 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£266BGS 10£86524 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£266BGS 10£86525 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£266BGS 10£86526 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£266BGS 10£86527 Oct 2026PSA 10£666PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£266BGS 10£86528 Oct 2026PSA 10£657PSA 9£24.08CGC 10£263BGS 10£854
£250£500£750
14 Apr9 May6 Jun30 Jun24 Jul28 Oct
Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.