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Prices by grade
PSA 10 = 8.2× raw
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£11.48
PSA 10£93.79
PSA 9£15.12
CGC 10£37.52
BGS 10£122
A PSA 10 sells for 8.2× the raw card — a gap of £82.31. Grading fees and the risk of a 9 come out of that.
At a glance
30-day high£11.74
30-day low£11.48
Tracked high£11.74
Days tracked192
Illustratorakagi
Pokédex571
Price history
115 readings · 192d
HoloHawk awaiting data£11.48-2.2%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
16 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7417 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7418 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7419 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.48
£11.50£11.60£11.70
16 Oct16 Oct16 Oct23 Oct23 Oct23 Oct
HoloHawk awaiting data£11.48-2.2%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7424 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7425 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7426 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7427 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7428 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7429 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7430 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.741 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.742 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.743 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.744 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.745 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.746 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.747 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.748 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.749 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7410 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7411 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7412 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7413 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7414 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7415 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7416 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7417 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7418 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7419 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.48
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HoloHawk awaiting data£11.48+47.9%PriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.7615 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.7616 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.7617 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.7618 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.7619 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8220 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8221 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8222 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8223 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8224 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8225 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8226 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8227 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8228 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8229 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.8530 Apr 2026PriceCharting£7.851 May 2026PriceCharting£7.852 May 2026PriceCharting£7.853 May 2026PriceCharting£7.854 May 2026PriceCharting£7.855 May 2026PriceCharting£7.856 May 2026PriceCharting£7.857 May 2026PriceCharting£7.858 May 2026PriceCharting£7.859 May 2026PriceCharting£9.3810 May 2026PriceCharting£9.3811 May 2026PriceCharting£9.3812 May 2026PriceCharting£9.3813 May 2026PriceCharting£9.3814 May 2026PriceCharting£9.3815 May 2026PriceCharting£9.3816 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8117 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8118 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8119 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8120 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8121 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8122 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8123 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8124 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8125 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8126 May 2026PriceCharting£9.8127 May 2026PriceCharting£9.7428 May 2026PriceCharting£9.7429 May 2026PriceCharting£9.7430 May 2026PriceCharting£9.7431 May 2026PriceCharting£9.741 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.742 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.743 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.744 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.745 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.746 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.677 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.678 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.679 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6710 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6711 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6712 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6713 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6714 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6715 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6716 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6717 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6718 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6719 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6720 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6721 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6722 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6723 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6724 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6725 Jun 2026PriceCharting£9.6726 Jun 2026PriceCharting£10.6727 Jun 2026PriceCharting£10.6728 Jun 2026PriceCharting£10.6729 Jun 2026PriceCharting£10.6730 Jun 2026PriceCharting£10.671 Jul 2026PriceCharting£10.672 Jul 2026PriceCharting£10.673 Jul 2026PriceCharting£10.674 Jul 2026PriceCharting£10.675 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.536 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.537 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.538 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.539 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.5310 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.5311 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4912 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4913 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4914 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4915 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4916 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4917 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4918 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4919 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4920 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4921 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4922 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4923 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4924 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4925 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4926 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.4927 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.5728 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.5729 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.5730 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.5731 Jul 2026PriceCharting£9.571 Aug 2026PriceCharting£9.572 Aug 2026PriceCharting£9.573 Aug 2026PriceCharting£9.574 Aug 2026PriceCharting£9.575 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.486 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.487 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.488 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.489 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4810 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4811 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4812 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4813 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4814 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4815 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4816 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4817 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4818 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4819 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4820 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4821 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4822 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4823 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4824 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4825 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4826 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4827 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4828 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4829 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4830 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.4831 Aug 2026PriceCharting£11.481 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.482 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.483 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.484 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.485 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.746 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.747 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.748 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.749 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7410 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7411 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7412 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7413 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7414 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7415 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7416 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7417 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7418 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7419 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7420 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7421 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7422 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7423 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7424 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7425 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7426 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7427 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7428 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7429 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.7430 Sept 2026PriceCharting£11.741 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.742 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.743 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.744 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.745 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.746 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.747 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.748 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.749 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7410 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7411 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7412 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7413 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7414 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7415 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7416 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7417 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7418 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7419 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7420 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7421 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7422 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.7423 Oct 2026PriceCharting£11.48
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Three independent readings on one scale. A reading is recorded only when a price changes, so a flat stretch means it held. Hover or tap any day. HoloHawk and PulseTCG have no readings for this card yet.
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.5615 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.5616 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.5617 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.5618 Apr 2026PSA 10£47.5619 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1320 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1321 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1322 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1323 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1324 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1325 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1326 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1327 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1328 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.1329 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.3030 Apr 2026PSA 10£58.301 May 2026PSA 10£58.302 May 2026PSA 10£58.303 May 2026PSA 10£58.304 May 2026PSA 10£58.305 May 2026PSA 10£58.306 May 2026PSA 10£58.307 May 2026PSA 10£58.308 May 2026PSA 10£58.309 May 2026PSA 10£58.3410 May 2026PSA 10£58.3411 May 2026PSA 10£58.3412 May 2026PSA 10£58.3413 May 2026PSA 10£58.3414 May 2026PSA 10£58.3415 May 2026PSA 10£58.3416 May 2026PSA 10£65.2517 May 2026PSA 10£65.2518 May 2026PSA 10£65.2519 May 2026PSA 10£65.2520 May 2026PSA 10£65.2521 May 2026PSA 10£65.2522 May 2026PSA 10£11623 May 2026PSA 10£11624 May 2026PSA 10£11625 May 2026PSA 10£11626 May 2026PSA 10£11627 May 2026PSA 10£11628 May 2026PSA 10£11629 May 2026PSA 10£11630 May 2026PSA 10£11631 May 2026PSA 10£1161 Jun 2026PSA 10£1162 Jun 2026PSA 10£1163 Jun 2026PSA 10£1164 Jun 2026PSA 10£1165 Jun 2026PSA 10£1166 Jun 2026PSA 10£1167 Jun 2026PSA 10£1168 Jun 2026PSA 10£1169 Jun 2026PSA 10£11610 Jun 2026PSA 10£11611 Jun 2026PSA 10£11612 Jun 2026PSA 10£11613 Jun 2026PSA 10£11614 Jun 2026PSA 10£11615 Jun 2026PSA 10£11616 Jun 2026PSA 10£11617 Jun 2026PSA 10£11618 Jun 2026PSA 10£11619 Jun 2026PSA 10£11620 Jun 2026PSA 10£11621 Jun 2026PSA 10£11622 Jun 2026PSA 10£11623 Jun 2026PSA 10£11624 Jun 2026PSA 10£11625 Jun 2026PSA 10£11626 Jun 2026PSA 10£11627 Jun 2026PSA 10£11628 Jun 2026PSA 10£11629 Jun 2026PSA 10£11630 Jun 2026PSA 10£1161 Jul 2026PSA 10£1162 Jul 2026PSA 10£1163 Jul 2026PSA 10£1164 Jul 2026PSA 10£1165 Jul 2026PSA 10£1166 Jul 2026PSA 10£1167 Jul 2026PSA 10£1168 Jul 2026PSA 10£1169 Jul 2026PSA 10£11610 Jul 2026PSA 10£11611 Jul 2026PSA 10£11612 Jul 2026PSA 10£11613 Jul 2026PSA 10£11614 Jul 2026PSA 10£11615 Jul 2026PSA 10£11616 Jul 2026PSA 10£11617 Jul 2026PSA 10£11618 Jul 2026PSA 10£11619 Jul 2026PSA 10£11620 Jul 2026PSA 10£11621 Jul 2026PSA 10£11622 Jul 2026PSA 10£11623 Jul 2026PSA 10£11624 Jul 2026PSA 10£11625 Jul 2026PSA 10£11626 Jul 2026PSA 10£11627 Jul 2026PSA 10£11628 Jul 2026PSA 10£11629 Jul 2026PSA 10£11630 Jul 2026PSA 10£11631 Jul 2026PSA 10£1161 Aug 2026PSA 10£1162 Aug 2026PSA 10£1163 Aug 2026PSA 10£1164 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1525 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1526 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1527 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1528 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1529 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15210 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15211 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15212 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15213 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15214 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15215 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15216 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15217 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15218 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15219 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15220 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15221 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15222 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15223 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15224 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15225 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£5.63CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15226 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15227 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15228 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15229 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15230 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15231 Aug 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1521 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1522 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1523 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1524 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1525 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1526 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1527 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1528 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1529 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15210 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15211 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15212 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15213 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15214 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15215 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.99CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15216 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15217 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15218 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15219 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15220 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15221 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15222 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15223 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15224 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.78CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15225 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15226 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15227 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15228 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15229 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15230 Sept 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1521 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1522 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1523 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1524 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1525 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1526 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1527 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1528 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£1529 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15210 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15211 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15212 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15213 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15214 Oct 2026PSA 10£116PSA 9£15.58CGC 10£69.78BGS 10£15215 Oct 2026PSA 10£94.47PSA 9£15.26CGC 10£57.02BGS 10£12316 Oct 2026PSA 10£94.47PSA 9£15.26CGC 10£57.02BGS 10£12317 Oct 2026PSA 10£94.47PSA 9£15.26CGC 10£57.02BGS 10£12318 Oct 2026PSA 10£94.47PSA 9£15.26CGC 10£57.02BGS 10£12319 Oct 2026PSA 10£94.47PSA 9£15.26CGC 10£57.02BGS 10£12320 Oct 2026PSA 10£94.47PSA 9£15.26CGC 10£57.02BGS 10£12321 Oct 2026PSA 10£94.47PSA 9£15.26CGC 10£57.02BGS 10£12322 Oct 2026PSA 10£94.47PSA 9£15.26CGC 10£57.02BGS 10£12323 Oct 2026PSA 10£93.79PSA 9£15.12CGC 10£37.52BGS 10£122
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
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How much new stock hits the UK market each day The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This charts how many appear for this card once the daily rollup has readings for it.
A direct count of listings we saw appear — not an estimate of every listing on eBay.
Confirmed sales per day
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How often this card actually sells We record roughly 4,600 UK auction outcomes a day across the catalogue. This charts how many close with a winning bid, day by day, from the first confirmed sale for this card.
Only auctions that finished with a bid count. A listing vanishing is not proof of a sale, so it is not counted as one.
Recent confirmed sales
Recording live
No confirmed sales for this card yet
We log every UK auction that closes with a winning bid — around 4,600 a day across the catalogue.
The first result for this card appears here as soon as one sells.
On sale now in the UK
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Live UK listings for this card The scanner records every new UK listing it sees — around 13,600 a day. This fills as soon as one appears for this card, showing asking prices cheapest first.
Where these numbers come from
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawkOur own market price, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.