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Prices by grade
Today's figures for every tier.
Raw · ungraded£1.48
Grade 9£24.63
Grade 9.5£44.28
PSA 10£190
BGS 10£247
CGC 10£39.31
At a glance
30-day high£1.48
30-day low£0.84
Tracked high£1.94
Days tracked140
IllustratorKen Sugimori
Pokédex140
Price history
118 readings · 140d
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
23 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1624 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.1625 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2826 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0628 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0629 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0630 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£0.8431 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£0.841 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.48
£1.00£1.25
25 Aug27 Aug30 Aug1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
31 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.161 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.162 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.473 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.474 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.475 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.326 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.327 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.328 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.399 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3910 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3911 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3912 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3213 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3214 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3215 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2616 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2617 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2618 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3023 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2825 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2826 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0628 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0629 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0630 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£0.8431 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£0.841 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.48
£1.00£1.25
2 Aug5 Aug21 Aug1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. MarketPriceChartingPulseTCG awaiting data
14 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.8715 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5716 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5717 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5718 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5719 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6020 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6021 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6022 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6023 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6024 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6225 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6226 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.6227 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5428 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5429 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.5430 Apr 2026PriceCharting£1.661 May 2026PriceCharting£1.662 May 2026PriceCharting£1.663 May 2026PriceCharting£1.664 May 2026PriceCharting£1.495 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.496 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.497 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.948 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.949 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.7310 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.7311 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.7312 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.7313 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.7314 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.7315 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.7316 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4817 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4818 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4819 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4720 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4721 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.6022 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.6023 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.6024 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.6025 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4726 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4727 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4728 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4729 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4730 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.6031 May 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.841 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.842 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.473 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.474 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.475 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.476 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.717 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.718 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.719 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4810 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4811 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4812 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4813 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4814 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4815 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2516 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2517 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2518 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4019 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4020 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4021 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4422 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4423 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4424 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3925 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3926 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3927 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3928 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4229 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4230 Jun 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.471 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.472 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.473 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.474 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.475 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.476 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.437 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.438 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.439 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2910 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2911 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2912 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1613 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1614 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1615 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1616 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1617 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1618 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.1619 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2920 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2921 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4722 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4723 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.4724 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3225 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3226 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3227 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3028 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3029 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3030 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3031 Jul 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.311 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.312 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.473 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.474 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.475 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.326 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.327 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.328 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.399 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3910 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3911 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3912 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3213 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3214 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3215 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2616 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2617 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2618 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0319 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0320 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0321 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3022 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3023 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.3024 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2825 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2826 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.2827 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0628 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0629 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.0630 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£0.8431 Aug 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£0.841 Sept 2026HoloHawk Est. Market£1.16PriceCharting£1.48
£1.00£1.50
14 Apr26 May6 Jul1 Sept
HoloHawk Est. Market · PriceCharting · PulseTCG. Hover any point for that day's figures. Flat sections mean the price did not move — a reading is recorded only when it changes. PulseTCG has no readings for this card yet.
Graded price history
PSA 10 · £190
PSA 10Grade 9.5Grade 9BGS 10CGC 10
14 Apr 2026PSA 10£23015 Apr 2026PSA 10£23016 Apr 2026PSA 10£23017 Apr 2026PSA 10£23018 Apr 2026PSA 10£23019 Apr 2026PSA 10£23020 Apr 2026PSA 10£23021 Apr 2026PSA 10£23022 Apr 2026PSA 10£22023 Apr 2026PSA 10£22024 Apr 2026PSA 10£19725 Apr 2026PSA 10£19726 Apr 2026PSA 10£19727 Apr 2026PSA 10£19728 Apr 2026PSA 10£19729 Apr 2026PSA 10£19730 Apr 2026PSA 10£2011 May 2026PSA 10£2012 May 2026PSA 10£2013 May 2026PSA 10£2014 May 2026PSA 10£2025 May 2026PSA 10£2026 May 2026PSA 10£2027 May 2026PSA 10£2038 May 2026PSA 10£2039 May 2026PSA 10£20610 May 2026PSA 10£20611 May 2026PSA 10£20612 May 2026PSA 10£20613 May 2026PSA 10£20714 May 2026PSA 10£20715 May 2026PSA 10£20716 May 2026PSA 10£20817 May 2026PSA 10£20818 May 2026PSA 10£20819 May 2026PSA 10£20820 May 2026PSA 10£20821 May 2026PSA 10£20822 May 2026PSA 10£20823 May 2026PSA 10£20824 May 2026PSA 10£20825 May 2026PSA 10£20826 May 2026PSA 10£20827 May 2026PSA 10£20828 May 2026PSA 10£20829 May 2026PSA 10£20830 May 2026PSA 10£20831 May 2026PSA 10£2081 Jun 2026PSA 10£2082 Jun 2026PSA 10£2083 Jun 2026PSA 10£2084 Jun 2026PSA 10£2085 Jun 2026PSA 10£2086 Jun 2026PSA 10£2087 Jun 2026PSA 10£2088 Jun 2026PSA 10£2089 Jun 2026PSA 10£23610 Jun 2026PSA 10£23611 Jun 2026PSA 10£23612 Jun 2026PSA 10£23613 Jun 2026PSA 10£23614 Jun 2026PSA 10£23615 Jun 2026PSA 10£23616 Jun 2026PSA 10£23617 Jun 2026PSA 10£23618 Jun 2026PSA 10£23619 Jun 2026PSA 10£23620 Jun 2026PSA 10£23621 Jun 2026PSA 10£23622 Jun 2026PSA 10£23623 Jun 2026PSA 10£23624 Jun 2026PSA 10£23825 Jun 2026PSA 10£23826 Jun 2026PSA 10£23827 Jun 2026PSA 10£23828 Jun 2026PSA 10£23929 Jun 2026PSA 10£23930 Jun 2026PSA 10£2401 Jul 2026PSA 10£2402 Jul 2026PSA 10£2403 Jul 2026PSA 10£2384 Jul 2026PSA 10£2385 Jul 2026PSA 10£2386 Jul 2026PSA 10£2377 Jul 2026PSA 10£2378 Jul 2026PSA 10£2379 Jul 2026PSA 10£21210 Jul 2026PSA 10£21211 Jul 2026PSA 10£21212 Jul 2026PSA 10£21213 Jul 2026PSA 10£21214 Jul 2026PSA 10£21215 Jul 2026PSA 10£21216 Jul 2026PSA 10£21217 Jul 2026PSA 10£21218 Jul 2026PSA 10£21219 Jul 2026PSA 10£21220 Jul 2026PSA 10£21221 Jul 2026PSA 10£23222 Jul 2026PSA 10£23223 Jul 2026PSA 10£23224 Jul 2026PSA 10£23225 Jul 2026PSA 10£23226 Jul 2026PSA 10£23227 Jul 2026PSA 10£23228 Jul 2026PSA 10£23229 Jul 2026PSA 10£23230 Jul 2026PSA 10£23231 Jul 2026PSA 10£2331 Aug 2026PSA 10£2332 Aug 2026PSA 10£2333 Aug 2026PSA 10£2334 Aug 2026PSA 10£233Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£28.82BGS 10£302CGC 10£39.315 Aug 2026PSA 10£235Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£28.08BGS 10£306CGC 10£39.316 Aug 2026PSA 10£235Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£28.08BGS 10£306CGC 10£39.317 Aug 2026PSA 10£235Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£28.08BGS 10£306CGC 10£39.318 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£28.08BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.319 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£28.08BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3110 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£28.08BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3111 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£28.08BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3112 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.12BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3113 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.12BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3114 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.12BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3115 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.12BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3116 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.12BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3117 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.12BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3118 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£26.97BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3119 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£26.97BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3120 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£26.97BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3121 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3122 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3123 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3124 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3125 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3126 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3127 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3128 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3129 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3130 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.3131 Aug 2026PSA 10£234Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£25.87BGS 10£304CGC 10£39.311 Sept 2026PSA 10£190Grade 9.5£44.28Grade 9£24.63BGS 10£247CGC 10£39.31
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Graded prices from PriceCharting, in GBP. PSA 10 has been tracked since April 2026; the other tiers began recording 3 August 2026 and join the chart as their history builds.
New listings per day
0 today
How many new UK listings appear for this card each day. Rising supply against a
falling price is the clearest sell signal there is. This counts what we saw, so it is a sample of
the market rather than a total.
12 Aug 2026New listings/day113 Aug 2026New listings/day014 Aug 2026New listings/day015 Aug 2026New listings/day016 Aug 2026New listings/day017 Aug 2026New listings/day118 Aug 2026New listings/day019 Aug 2026New listings/day120 Aug 2026New listings/day021 Aug 2026New listings/day122 Aug 2026New listings/day023 Aug 2026New listings/day124 Aug 2026New listings/day025 Aug 2026New listings/day026 Aug 2026New listings/day027 Aug 2026New listings/day028 Aug 2026New listings/day029 Aug 2026New listings/day030 Aug 2026New listings/day131 Aug 2026New listings/day0
01
12 Aug18 Aug25 Aug31 Aug
New UK listings we saw appear each day. A direct count of what the scanner observed, not an estimate of everything on eBay. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Confirmed sales per day
Auctions that closed with a winning bid. A sale we watched happen, not a listing that
disappeared for unknown reasons.
15 Aug 2026Confirmed sales/day1
1
UK auctions that closed with a winning bid each day. Source: HoloHawk, observed directly on eBay UK.
Recent confirmed sales
Confirmed auction results
UK auctions that closed with a winning bid — not listings that merely disappeared.
Observed within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound on the hammer price.
Ended
Bids
Price
15 Aug
3
£68.08 or more
On sale now in the UK
2 live
Fixed-price listings we are currently tracking, cheapest first. Asking prices, not sales,
and a sample of what is listed rather than everything on eBay. Each row opens the listing on eBay — HoloHawk earns a commission on purchases made through it, and it never changes the price you pay.
Three independent readings, shown side by side rather than blended into one figure:
HoloHawk Est. MarketOur own estimate, from live UK listings
PriceChartingPublished reference price, USD converted to GBP
PulseTCGPublished reference price, natively GBP
A reading is stored only when a price actually changes, so flat
stretches mean the price held — not that data is missing. Where a source has no history for an item its
line is absent rather than flat. Confirmed sales are UK auctions that closed with a winning bid, observed
within three minutes of close, so each is a lower bound. Live listings are asking prices, not sales.
Supply and sales counts are direct observations — listings we saw appear and auctions we saw close with a
bid. We do not infer that a listing sold because it disappeared, so nothing here depends on that guess.